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A little help with historians - EnglishConvert - 05-21-2011

Hello, fisheaters!

I need some help. I'm off in October to study history at the University of Dundee  and want to make sure I'm reading the right sort of historians. Now I'm already a fan of Eamon Duffy but I need some more Catholic historians. Preferably English, Irish and American historians and well known ones.

Thanking in advance  ;D

EDIT: With a focus on the:
- French Revolution
- The Spanish Civil War
- The reformation



Re: A little help with historians - Historian - 05-21-2011

History is not specific to the historians. I would study the facts and contemporary accounts first to get a more accurate view. Be careful of projecting current views into the past and the Historian's fallacy.




Re: A little help with historians - EnglishConvert - 05-21-2011

(05-21-2011, 05:45 PM)Rosarium Wrote: History is not specific to the historians. I would study the facts and contemporary accounts first to get a more accurate view. Be careful of projecting current views into the past and the Historian's fallacy.

Oh of course. But we have to trust an authority; just as we trust Holy Mother Church.


Re: A little help with historians - Melita - 05-21-2011

(05-21-2011, 05:46 PM)EnglishConvert Wrote:
(05-21-2011, 05:45 PM)Rosarium Wrote: History is not specific to the historians. I would study the facts and contemporary accounts first to get a more accurate view. Be careful of projecting current views into the past and the Historian's fallacy.

Oh of course. But we have to trust an authority; just as we trust Holy Mother Church.

The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. The same can't be said for secular authorities.



Re: A little help with historians - Scipio_a - 05-21-2011

Ignore Rosies pedantry....sometimes he actually contributes.  Melita too


Anyone have any historians they like?


But be careful Engconv....the taste in this forum for "sources" leave more than a lot to be desired.


Re: A little help with historians - Historian - 05-21-2011

(05-21-2011, 05:42 PM)EnglishConvert Wrote: EDIT: With a focus on the:
- French Revolution
- The Spanish Civil War
- The reformation

I would study the acts and works of those involved in those events. Specifically, I would study exactly what the French people wrote and did and what the Reformers wrote and did.

It is often quite different from a modern perspective. The "reformation" in particular was not laudable at all and it shed all of the things which are so valued today.


Re: A little help with historians - Historian - 05-21-2011

(05-21-2011, 05:48 PM)Scipio_a Wrote: Ignore Rosies pedantry....sometimes he actually contributes.  Melita too
Go play ball or something.

Leave the forum discussions to those who can actually discuss.
Quote:Anyone have any historians they like?
Yes, but they are all from before the specific events which are the focus.




Re: A little help with historians - Melita - 05-21-2011

Rosarium, how do you fix the forum so you can only see certain posts?


Re: A little help with historians - EnglishConvert - 05-21-2011

(05-21-2011, 05:47 PM)Melita Wrote:
(05-21-2011, 05:46 PM)EnglishConvert Wrote:
(05-21-2011, 05:45 PM)Rosarium Wrote: History is not specific to the historians. I would study the facts and contemporary accounts first to get a more accurate view. Be careful of projecting current views into the past and the Historian's fallacy.

Oh of course. But we have to trust an authority; just as we trust Holy Mother Church.

The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. The same can't be said for secular authorities.

But, as Catholics, can they not say they are drawing upon that wisdom. Either way this is a somewhat circular argument


Re: A little help with historians - Melita - 05-21-2011

(05-21-2011, 05:54 PM)EnglishConvert Wrote:
(05-21-2011, 05:47 PM)Melita Wrote:
(05-21-2011, 05:46 PM)EnglishConvert Wrote:
(05-21-2011, 05:45 PM)Rosarium Wrote: History is not specific to the historians. I would study the facts and contemporary accounts first to get a more accurate view. Be careful of projecting current views into the past and the Historian's fallacy.

Oh of course. But we have to trust an authority; just as we trust Holy Mother Church.

The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. The same can't be said for secular authorities.

But, as Catholics, can they not say they are drawing upon that wisdom. Either way this is a somewhat circular argument

I meant that the trust we place in the Church is not the same as the trust we might have in a historian's work.