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Re: Cigars - devotedknuckles - 06-22-2011

Must be because it's japanse and greens me color
sip



Re: Cigars - HolySouls - 06-22-2011

(06-22-2011, 12:07 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(06-22-2011, 11:35 AM)HolySouls Wrote: Yes he does -- he has Asperger's and that is definitely a disability.   I didn't claim that he expects people to give him leeway, but people have indeed given it to him.  Criticisms from the members are one thing, but I'm talking about the Admin's reaction.  I was originally going to post about that, but I changed my mind.  I'll post about it now.  Yes, maybe SoCal was cruel but so has DK been and so have others been, and I don't mean just with respect to Rosarium.  This forum is full of cruel statements, about other posters, about members of the Church, about Jews.  But just becuase the forum owner is related to two people with Asperger's, all of a sudden it's a problem.  it's fundamentally unfair, and that's what I take issue with, really.

Now, let's let this thread go back to being about cigars, please.  If you have more to argue, PM me.

It is fundamentally unfair for you to publicly criticize Quis and to expect it to go uncontested.  If you want the subject dropped then you drop it.

The owners have basically shut down discussions on Jews and Judaism because people are unable to discuss this in a civil fashion.  That is the reason for the sub-forum for that topic is currently read-only.  Someone was just banned for a violation of the rules about this.  And there have been owner/moderator interventions on a variety of other topics too.  You are mistaken in your impression that this is the only time that Quis has intervened to prevent cruel or unacceptable comments.

Quis is dealing with some serious problems in his personal life right now.  He is not moderating at his best lately due to the small amount of time he can give to it.   He does his best to be fair.  I have personally seen that he puts a great deal of thought and effort into being fair.  Right now he is undergoing great trials and it is a very bad time to make this unjust criticism of him.  Please pray for him and for Vox.

I didn't say I wanted it dropped.  This is the second time you've misattributed statements.  Could you please read more carefully?  I was TRYING to get this thread back to its original subject and also -- hard as it may be for you to believe -- trying to spare Rosarium any more from watching the back-and-forth. 

Thank you for letting me know about Quis' issues, that also helps, although I do still think it does not excuse completely the inconsistency and appearance of favoritism.  Now, if you still want to respond, fine, but send me an email and let this thread go back to its original subject or die, whichever.


Re: Cigars - Bakuryokuso - 06-22-2011

(06-22-2011, 01:36 PM)HolySouls Wrote: I didn't say I wanted it dropped.  This is the second time you've misattributed statements.  Could you please read more carefully?  I was TRYING to get this thread back to its original subject …


Isn’t that the same thing though? Dropping a derailment = getting the thread back to the original subject.





Re: Cigars - HolySouls - 06-22-2011

(06-22-2011, 01:40 PM)Bakuryokuso Wrote:
(06-22-2011, 01:36 PM)HolySouls Wrote: I didn't say I wanted it dropped.  This is the second time you've misattributed statements.  Could you please read more carefully?  I was TRYING to get this thread back to its original subject …


Isn’t that the same thing though? Dropping a derailment = getting the thread back to the original subject.

No, because I'm not saying I want the subject dropped altogether -- just dropped from here, for the reasons I've given.

Sorry -- I meant to put in my last response, that I will pray for Quis and for Vox.

So ... why is cigar smoking considered "higher-class" for want of a better term, than cigarettes?  Is it merely because they're more expensive?  And why is a woman who smokes a cigar at the same time sexy and unfeminine? 


Re: Cigars - Bakuryokuso - 06-22-2011

(06-22-2011, 01:46 PM)HolySouls Wrote: So ... why is cigar smoking considered "higher-class" for want of a better term, than cigarettes?  Is it merely because they're more expensive?  And why is a woman who smokes a cigar at the same time sexy and unfeminine? 

Well they're not as addictive... and isn't it like a cheap beer (cigarettes) vs fine wine (cigars) sort of thing?

My dad smoked a pipe when i was a kid and I always loved the aroma, but I couldn't stand the stink of my mom's cigarettes.

Women smoking cigars is pretty common in Cuba, maybe it's a cultural thing


Re: Cigars - Jenn - 06-22-2011

(06-22-2011, 10:32 AM)HolySouls Wrote: I'm sorry, but this is what happens when a person is allowed too much leeway because of a disability.  If someone had told Rosarium beforehand how he comes across, and how his constant posting of his opinion in a "causa finitas est" kind of way makes him look, he would not be getting criticized now.  I see a lot of frustration in DK and in SoCal and some of the others, and punishing them while letting Rosarium off because he's handicapped is not the right solution.  I understand that people want to defend Rosarium, but this is not going to help him in the long run.

I was very taken aback at SoCal's post, but I do have to say that the above post makes sense to me (and this has nothing to do with Quis' moderating style at ALL. He's my bro.). To be blunt (and I'm trying to be charitable here), Rosarium's posts can be extremely irritating. Note that I said his posts. I've never met him IRL, so I don't know how he is face-to-face. His posts frustrate and irritate many people, and then when they express those sentiments, Rosarium gets all bent out of shape. But when people try to tell him ahead of time that he needs to realize the reaction his online behavior is about to provoke, he just continues to argue the point. Human nature being what it is, eventually someone blows. Rosarium, in my opinion, needs to take some personal responsibility for these situations (maybe he has already). You can't go around provoking people and then get all outraged when somebody snaps at you. My .02....


Re: Cigars - Bakuryokuso - 06-22-2011

(06-22-2011, 01:04 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Must be because it's japanse and greens me color
sip

Ya got it!!! :)


Re: Cigars - tmw89 - 06-22-2011

(06-22-2011, 01:50 PM)Bakuryokuso Wrote:
(06-22-2011, 01:46 PM)HolySouls Wrote: So ... why is cigar smoking considered "higher-class" for want of a better term, than cigarettes?  Is it merely because they're more expensive?  And why is a woman who smokes a cigar at the same time sexy and unfeminine? 

Well they're not as addictive... and isn't it like a cheap beer (cigarettes) vs fine wine (cigars) sort of thing?

Behold the premium beer:  Treasurer Cigarettes

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Re: Cigars - Joshua - 06-23-2011

HolySouls Wrote:So ... why is cigar smoking considered "higher-class" for want of a better term, than cigarettes? 

My take on the matter is that they appeal to those with an actual desire to taste and savor quality tobacco. This is why all premium handmade cigars are crafted with nothing but natural, hand-rolled tobacco leaves. Nothing else. The process from a green and growing tobacco plant in the hot fields of Central/South America ... to a beautifully rolled cigar resting in its box at your local tobacco shop is a process that involves an art-form of cultivation, seed selection, sun-rationing, storage, fermentation, aging, blending, rolling, etc. that, at times, takes decades before a single batch even ends up as a finished cigar. Once one develops a bit of a palette, one can savor and decipher nuances and flavors that vary greatly from cigar to cigar, brand to brand, etc and one can even enhance the flavors of a cigar through careful storage and aging methods ... just like fine wines.

Cigarettes on the other hand are loaded with all manner of chemicals and additives. Many of the filters even contain microscopic filaments of fiber-glass to make tiny incisions in one's lips so as to get the various substances directly into your blood-stream. This is a product that is purposefully engineered to make addicts and to sustain them.

This is like comparing Dom Perignon to Everclear.