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Re: Popes and False Popes - wulfrano - 08-09-2011

(08-08-2011, 05:10 PM)SouthpawLink Wrote:
(08-05-2011, 10:09 AM)LorenzoMdeVera Wrote: Greetings everyone!

In the thread entitled "The Blood of Christ" a discussion about the Precious Blood shifted towards Sedevacantism and the Papacy so I decided to make a new thread about the state of the papacy after Vatican II.

Are John XXIII, Paul VI and the other post-Vatican II popes heretics or are they legitimate? Sedevacantists say that they have committed heresy and therefore cannot be valid popes. But then again, the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church. A good discussion is in order.

+ Benedicat Nobis Deus +

We are not allowed to promote or invite debate about sedevacantism on this forum, nor are we allowed to accuse the Holy Father of heresy (nor may we call him a heretic).  If you wish, however, you're free to personal message (PM) other posters -- such as me -- about the vacancy of the Holy See.

God bless!


Thank you for the PM option.


Re: Popes and False Popes - Gregory I - 08-09-2011

It seems apparent that JPII taught the Heresy of Jovinian in 1982. He denied that Virginity was a greater state in life than marriage. This is a dogma, established by trent.

IF it is true that he taught heresy, then he fell from the pontificate (if he had it in the first place) and lost all ecclesiastical office. This was also prior to the 1983 code of canon law, therefore, he would incur the penalty of canon 188.4 of the 1917 code of canon law, which states that any cleric who publicly defects from the faith resigns all ecclesiastical offices.

Isn't sedevacantism fun?


Re: Popes and False Popes - UnamSanctam - 08-09-2011

(08-09-2011, 07:09 PM)Gregory I Wrote: It seems apparent that JPII taught the Heresy of Jovinian in 1982. He denied that Virginity was a greater state in life than marriage. This is a dogma, established by trent.

IF it is true that he taught heresy, then he fell from the pontificate (if he had it in the first place) and lost all ecclesiastical office. This was also prior to the 1983 code of canon law, therefore, he would incur the penalty of canon 188.4 of the 1917 code of canon law, which states that any cleric who publicly defects from the faith resigns all ecclesiastical offices.

Isn't sedevacantism fun?

:villagepeeps:


Re: Popes and False Popes - Gregory I - 08-09-2011

(08-09-2011, 07:17 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote:
(08-09-2011, 07:09 PM)Gregory I Wrote: It seems apparent that JPII taught the Heresy of Jovinian in 1982. He denied that Virginity was a greater state in life than marriage. This is a dogma, established by trent.

IF it is true that he taught heresy, then he fell from the pontificate (if he had it in the first place) and lost all ecclesiastical office. This was also prior to the 1983 code of canon law, therefore, he would incur the penalty of canon 188.4 of the 1917 code of canon law, which states that any cleric who publicly defects from the faith resigns all ecclesiastical offices.

Isn't sedevacantism fun?

:villagepeeps:

????


Re: Popes and False Popes - wulfrano - 08-09-2011

(08-09-2011, 07:09 PM)Gregory I Wrote: It seems apparent that JPII taught the Heresy of Jovinian in 1982. He denied that Virginity was a greater state in life than marriage. This is a dogma, established by trent.

IF it is true that he taught heresy, then he fell from the pontificate (if he had it in the first place) and lost all ecclesiastical office. This was also prior to the 1983 code of canon law, therefore, he would incur the penalty of canon 188.4 of the 1917 code of canon law, which states that any cleric who publicly defects from the faith resigns all ecclesiastical offices.

Isn't sedevacantism fun?

You forgot to list, quote and state the other 3,548 heresies of John XXIII, Paul VI, Vatican Council II, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI (and still counting).


Re: Popes and False Popes - wulfrano - 08-09-2011

(08-09-2011, 07:17 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote:
(08-09-2011, 07:09 PM)Gregory I Wrote: It seems apparent that JPII taught the Heresy of Jovinian in 1982. He denied that Virginity was a greater state in life than marriage. This is a dogma, established by trent.

IF it is true that he taught heresy, then he fell from the pontificate (if he had it in the first place) and lost all ecclesiastical office. This was also prior to the 1983 code of canon law, therefore, he would incur the penalty of canon 188.4 of the 1917 code of canon law, which states that any cleric who publicly defects from the faith resigns all ecclesiastical offices.

Isn't sedevacantism fun?

:villagepeeps:


Why "village people" smileys?


Re: Popes and False Popes - UnamSanctam - 08-09-2011

(08-09-2011, 07:31 PM)Gregory I Wrote:
(08-09-2011, 07:17 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote:
(08-09-2011, 07:09 PM)Gregory I Wrote: It seems apparent that JPII taught the Heresy of Jovinian in 1982. He denied that Virginity was a greater state in life than marriage. This is a dogma, established by trent.

IF it is true that he taught heresy, then he fell from the pontificate (if he had it in the first place) and lost all ecclesiastical office. This was also prior to the 1983 code of canon law, therefore, he would incur the penalty of canon 188.4 of the 1917 code of canon law, which states that any cleric who publicly defects from the faith resigns all ecclesiastical offices.

Isn't sedevacantism fun?

:villagepeeps:

????

Village People = Fun.


Re: Popes and False Popes - wulfrano - 08-09-2011

(08-09-2011, 07:46 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote:
(08-09-2011, 07:31 PM)Gregory I Wrote:
(08-09-2011, 07:17 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote:
(08-09-2011, 07:09 PM)Gregory I Wrote: It seems apparent that JPII taught the Heresy of Jovinian in 1982. He denied that Virginity was a greater state in life than marriage. This is a dogma, established by trent.

IF it is true that he taught heresy, then he fell from the pontificate (if he had it in the first place) and lost all ecclesiastical office. This was also prior to the 1983 code of canon law, therefore, he would incur the penalty of canon 188.4 of the 1917 code of canon law, which states that any cleric who publicly defects from the faith resigns all ecclesiastical offices.

Isn't sedevacantism fun?

:villagepeeps:

????

Village People = Fun.

Thank you, UnamSanctam.


Re: Popes and False Popes - Erudite Celt - 10-12-2011

(08-06-2011, 02:13 AM)wulfrano Wrote:
(08-06-2011, 01:59 AM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(08-05-2011, 10:10 AM)Someone1776 Wrote: Sedevacantism is a banned topic here.

But we've got alively thread going over at Trent Forum, if you'd like to join Someone1776 and I over there!

How do I get to Trent Forum?

Take the Number 6 Bus :laughing: