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Re: The Fall of Constantinople - K3vinhood - 08-15-2011

(08-14-2011, 11:03 PM)mikemac Wrote:
(08-14-2011, 06:19 PM)Resurrexi Wrote: I recently thought to myself that perhaps the Fall of Constantinople was a chastisement by God upon Byzantium. Perhaps God was punishing the Byzantines for their heresy and schism, particularly in rejecting the Union of Florence. In fact, perhaps the fall of the Byzantine Empire in general was God's punishment for the Byzantine Church's schism from the Christ's Church. Any thoughts about this?

It was actually Mark of Ephesus and the Russians rejecting the union that caused the fall of Constantinople, the Greeks and the Byzantine Emperor accepted the union.  With agreement of the major issues on the table the Council of Florence would have exchanged military assistance against the Ottoman Turks.  So with Mark of Ephesus and the Russians rejecting the union Western military assistance to Byzantium never materialized, resulting in the fall of Constantinople in 1453.

I wonder how different Christendom would be if Mark of Ephesus didn't show up at the council.



Re: The Fall of Constantinople - John_77 - 08-15-2011

The last emperor of the Byzantine Empire was a Catholic, In order to save Constantinople, he asked the pope to send help, in return, he would impose the union. Sadly, the pope's influence over the Western leaders wasn't great in that time, and he couldn't convince them. Some ships from Venice who were present did help, and Venice itself did think about sending a fleet. Their decision to send one came too late, and it wasn't able to partake in the battle.

It's kinda our fault, and I guess Mark of Ephesus was right... :(


Re: The Fall of Constantinople - mikemac - 08-15-2011

(08-15-2011, 03:15 AM)Adelbrecht Wrote: The last emperor of the Byzantine Empire was a Catholic, In order to save Constantinople, he asked the pope to send help, in return, he would impose the union. Sadly, the pope's influence over the Western leaders wasn't great in that time, and he couldn't convince them. Some ships from Venice who were present did help, and Venice itself did think about sending a fleet. Their decision to send one came too late, and it wasn't able to partake in the battle.

It's kinda our fault, and I guess Mark of Ephesus was right... :(

How was Mark of Ephesus right Adelbrecht?  He held Rome to be in schism and heresy for its acceptance of the Filioque clause added to the Nicene Creed and for the claims of the papacy to universal jurisdiction over the Church, and was thus the only Eastern bishop present at the Council of Florence to refuse to sign its decrees.  The Filioque being that the Holy Spirit proceeds 'from the Son' as well as the Father, which is very easy to prove with the Bible.  The Bible says we are to be one body in Christ, not like the Protestants who are all over the map in what they believe.  So Rome, the seat of Peter to claim universal jurisdiction over the Church is not out of the question to ensure a consistent Faith within the Church.

The Russians later rejected the union calling it purely political theology because it would ensure Western military assistance to Byzantium against the Ottoman Turks.  But if we are to be one body in Christ why wouldn't the Church defend a part of it's body.

Both Orthodox and Catholic scholars, from very different perspectives, consider Mark of Ephesus largely responsible for the termination of the Union of Florence.  The Orthodox call him a saint for defending the false theology against the Filioque.  The Catholics hold Mark of Ephesus largely responsible for the termination of the Union of Florence resulting in the Fall of Constantinople.