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Pope Honarius and Heresy - Someone1776 - 11-22-2011

I just read this fascinating pre-Vatican I essay on Pope Honarius, who many have accused of being a heretic, and thought I would share:

http://books.google.com/books?id=A2UVAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA200#v=onepage&q&f=false


Re: Pope Honarius and Heresy - Vetus Ordo - 11-22-2011

Many a defence of Honorious's reputation have been compiled over the years.


Re: Pope Honarius and Heresy - Someone1776 - 11-22-2011

(11-22-2011, 12:27 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: Many a defence of Honorious's reputation have been compiled over the years.

It's much more than that and well worth the read. 


Re: Pope Honarius and Heresy - Vetus Ordo - 11-22-2011

(11-22-2011, 12:29 AM)Someone1776 Wrote:
(11-22-2011, 12:27 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: Many a defence of Honorious's reputation have been compiled over the years.

It's much more than that and well worth the read. 

I skimmed through it and got the general idea. Perhaps I'll read it in full later.

Personally, I still believe Honorious fell into heresy.


Re: Pope Honarius and Heresy - Someone1776 - 11-22-2011

(11-22-2011, 12:30 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(11-22-2011, 12:29 AM)Someone1776 Wrote:
(11-22-2011, 12:27 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: Many a defence of Honorious's reputation have been compiled over the years.

It's much more than that and well worth the read. 

I skimmed through it and got the general idea. Perhaps I'll read it in full later.

Personally, I still believe Honorious fell into heresy.

It also considers the possibility that he did and what that means.  Interesting article. 


Re: Pope Honarius and Heresy - Resurrexi - 11-22-2011

(11-22-2011, 12:10 AM)Someone1776 Wrote: I just read this fascinating pre-Vatican I essay on Pope Honarius, who many have accused of being a heretic, and thought I would share:

http://books.google.com/books?id=A2UVAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA200#v=onepage&q&f=false

Excessively ultramontanist notions weren't the creation of Vatican I; they had existed decades before it.


Re: Pope Honarius and Heresy - Laetare - 11-22-2011

I am convinced he did not fall into heresy. It is massively unhelpful that all his allegedly heretical correspondence was burned. Only a few fragments survive, which only sound monothelite on a casual examination.

http://www.eclipseofthechurch.com/HonoriusCalumny.htm


Re: Pope Honarius and Heresy - shamrock - 11-22-2011

The Honorius issue was discussed at Vatican I because of the opposition raised by some to defining the dogma of papal infallibility. The Council Fathers as a whole, while they acknowledged he was condemned by the Sixth Council, concluded Honorius neither personally professed heresy nor taught it. There are unfortunately a substantial number of self-professed traditionalists, and well-respected ones at that, who like to use the story of Honorius to establish a precedent for heretical but valid popes. What they end up doing in the process, although they of course do not say so explicitly, is deny the dogma of papal infallibility as it was defined by Vatican Council I. It is tragic.   


Re: Pope Honarius and Heresy - Resurrexi - 11-22-2011

(11-22-2011, 03:13 AM)shamrock Wrote: That they end up doing in the process, although they of course do not say so explicitly, is deny the dogma of papal infallibility as it was defined by Vatican Council I.

LOL!


Re: Pope Honarius and Heresy - Resurrexi - 11-22-2011

If Vatican I had wanted to define that the pope cannot hold heretical opinions, it would have done so. Instead, it defined that the pope is free from error in defining dogma.