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Did JP2 excommunicate "ALL" SSPX priests at one point? - CubanDan - 01-04-2012

From the SPLC Essay: The 'Radical Traditionalist Catholic' Movement:

If radical traditionalists belong to a particular sect – and many do not – it is typically the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). This sprawling international group, based in Kansas City, Kan., has published reams of anti-Semitic writings. In the late 1980s, Pope John Paul II excommunicated all SSPX priests and declared the sect formally in schism. Nevertheless, it has continued to grow. The sect reportedly has 20,000 to 30,000 members in the United States.

http://bit.ly/AozQYp

Are they confusing what happened at Econe with a mass excommunication?


Re: Did JP2 excommunicate "ALL" SSPX priests at one point? - Historian - 01-04-2012

I'm no SSPX fan but this is quite hilarious. No, not all SSPX were excommunicated and no they were never formally declared in schism. Ever. This person is lying. Someone should write them a letter.


Re: Did JP2 excommunicate "ALL" SSPX priests at one point? - Someone1776 - 01-04-2012

Official Vatican Line: John Paul II appeared to have declared an official schism, but Pope Benedict clarified that while Lefebvre's act was schismatic, the SSPX did not enter schism.  

Only the SSPX Bishops and Bishop Mayor of Campos were excommunicated.  Pope Benedict subsequently revoked those excommunications. 


Re: Did JP2 excommunicate "ALL" SSPX priests at one point? - Albino_Luciani - 01-04-2012

You can see why all SSPX'ers were not x'd.  The Vatican dreams of rehabilitating the Jews even if it costs millions of souls (Fatima).  It's really hard to tell Hindus, you're all in and tell traditional Catholics, you're out.


Re: Did JP2 excommunicate "ALL" SSPX priests at one point? - jovan66102 - 01-04-2012

IIRC, the seminary classes at Winona wrote to Rome in '88 stating that they adhered to the "schism"' and asking to be excommunicated. Rome never replied. The quote in the OP is pure bullsh*t!


Re: Did JP2 excommunicate "ALL" SSPX priests at one point? - Justin - 01-04-2012

Here is something similar:
Ecône, July 6, 1988

Eminence,

Gathered around our Superior General, the Superiors of the Districts, Seminaries and autonomous houses of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X think it good to respectfully express to you the following reflections.

You thought it good, by your letter of July 1st, to inform Their Excellencies Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer, and the four Bishops whom they consecrated on June 30, at Ecône, of the excommunication latæ sententiæ.We let you judge for yourself the value of such a declaration, coming from an authority who, in its exercise, breaks with all its predecessors down to Pope Pius XII, in worship, teaching and government of the Church.

As for us, we are in full communion with all the Popes and Bishops before the Second Vatican Council, celebrating precisely the Mass which they codified and celebrated, teaching the Catechism which they drew up, standing up against the errors which they have many times condemned in their encyclicals and pastoral letters. We let you judge on which side the rupture is to be found. We are extremely saddened by the blindness of spirit and the hardening of heart of the Roman authorities.

On the other hand, we have never wished to belong to this system which calls itself the Conciliar Church, and defines itself with the Novus Ordo Missæ, an ecumenism which leads to indifferentism and the laicization of all society. Yes, we have no part, nullam partem habemus, with the pantheon of the religions of Assisi; our own excommunication by a decree of Your Eminence or of another Roman Congregation would only be the irrefutable proof of this. We ask for nothing better than to be declared out of communion with this adulterous spirit which has been blowing in the Church for the last 25 years; we ask for nothing better than to be declared outside of this impious communion of the ungodly. We believe in the One God, Our Lord Jesus Christ, with the Father and the Holy Ghost, and we will always remain faithful to His unique Spouse, the One Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church.

To be publicly associated with this sanction which is inflicted upon the six Catholic Bishops, Defenders of the Faith in its integrity and wholeness, would be for us a mark of honor and a sign of orthodoxy before the faithful. They have indeed a strict right to know that the priests who serve them are not in communion with a counterfeit church, promoting evolution, pentecostalism and syncretism. In union with these faithful, we make ours the words of the Prophet: “Præparate corda vestra Domino et servite Illi soli: et liberabit vos de manibus inimicorum vestrorum. Convertimini ad Eum in toto corde vestro, et auferte deos alienos de medio vestri—Open your hearts to the Lord and serve Him only: and He will free you from the hands of your enemies. With all your heart return to Him, and take away from your midst any strange gods” (I Kings 7:3).95

Confident in the protection of Her who has crushed all the heresies in the world, we assure Your Eminence of our dedication to Him Who is the only Way of salvation.

Fr. Franz Schmidberger, Superior General
Fr. Paul Aulagnier, District Superior, France
Fr. Franz-Josef Maessen, District Superior, Germany
Fr. Edward Black, District Superior, Great Britain
Fr. Anthony Esposito, District Superior of Italy
Fr. François Laisney, District Superior, United States
Fr. Jacques Emily, District Superior of Canada
Fr. Jean Michel Faure, District Superior of Mexico
Fr. Gerard Hogan, District Superior of Australasia
Fr. Alain Lorans, Superior, Seminary of Ecône
Fr. Jean Paul André, Superior, Seminary of France
Fr. Paul Natterer, Superior, Seminary of Germany
Fr. Andrès Morello, Superior, Seminary of Argentina
Fr. William Welsh, Superior, Seminary of Australia
Fr. Michel Simoulin, Rector, St. Pius X University
Fr. Patrice Laroche, Vice-Rector, Seminary of Ecône
Fr. Philippe François, Superior, Belgium
Fr. Roland de Mérode, Superior, Netherlands
Fr. Georg Pflüger, Superior, Austria
Fr. Guillaume Devillers, Superior, Spain
Fr. Philippe Pazat, Superior, Portugal
Fr. Daniel Couture, Superior, Ireland
Fr. Patrick Groche, Superior, Gabon
Fr. Frank Peek, Superior, Southern Africa

No answer was received.





Re: Did JP2 excommunicate "ALL" SSPX priests at one point? - Vetus Ordo - 01-04-2012

The excommunications were completely void to begin with.

Anyway, the quote in the OP is from the Southern Poverty Law Center. Need I say more?


Re: Did JP2 excommunicate "ALL" SSPX priests at one point? - cgraye - 01-04-2012

(01-04-2012, 09:24 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The excommunications were completely void to begin with.

Because...we want them to be, apparently?


Re: Did JP2 excommunicate "ALL" SSPX priests at one point? - Justin - 01-04-2012

(01-04-2012, 09:37 PM)cgraye Wrote:
(01-04-2012, 09:24 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The excommunications were completely void to begin with.

Because...we want them to be, apparently?
No, because 1983 code said so.


Re: Did JP2 excommunicate "ALL" SSPX priests at one point? - Phillipus Iacobus - 01-05-2012

No.