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Re: Catholic Prophecy - MMMMMMM - 01-30-2012

(01-30-2012, 05:07 PM)maso Wrote: Re. Great Monarch
A  European Catholic group allegedly has a descendant of Louis XVI in hiding (no, not speaking of the current Orlean Masonic branch)
this is allegedly a descendant of the Dauphin.
Looong story, quite fascinatiing and allegedly attempts have been made on his life.  I have heard some anecdotal evidence....i have seen no concrete evidence yet.
However, i am of the opinion there is something to it...at least in importance due to some circumstances that took place years ago.  Time will tell.

It was recently proven that the Dauphin died while in jail and had no offspring. His heart had been taken by a doctor who assisted him at his deathbed and kept it immersed in alcohol with a written report. His descendants always doubted this until a DNA forensic test was performed and authenticated the relic. It is now in the St Denis church where is the royal necropole.
Possibly the Great Monarch will be descendant of one of Louis XVI's brothers, either Louis XVIII or Charles X ?
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Precisely Maso! Splendid memory!
It was exactly this incident that tipped me off to begin in believing that something is amiss.
Ok, background, long before the supposed finding of this "heart".  The persons involved were in the process of publishing their findings with conclusive proof that
the Dauphin was switched.  Those were exciting days prior to their sudden ooops we found the heart in a "jar".  If i was seating on the fence well this made me jump
off it b/c i know the players, story and results of the investigations.  Timeing is everything. So coincidentally --after loosing the the heart for over a century, it turns up in a pickle jar
and just happens to be the Dauphin. Rightoooo.  So know the Masonic branch can bury the heart at St. Denis Chapel and "he will be finally able to rest in peace." 
      The Hapsburg s have in the Skull (see wiki) a trait that can easily be defined (no wonder they used a 200 yr. old "heart" and not a skull). Even Napoleon who
dug the body up knew he was replaced with a sick child. Look, it has been some years but i can tell you this, it is not just the Dauphin that was switched but
also the sister with a relative. Moreover, her body has been found and is intact, Incorruptible. Ever wonder why "she"-impostor went a. crazy, totally bonkers (historians mystefied)
b. Why she always refused to see the one man that knew she was a fake?
Like i said it is a long story and eventually the truth will be revealed.  I was sitting on the fence until that silly episode of Finding the heart after 200 years- a heart that was
lost, found, lost and found again and lo behold it is the Dauphin. That indicated that the Royals know the truth, they have the media in their pocket and it would take a
long time before the truth would come out, nevertheless it will. 


Notes:
- I once spoke to Warren Carroll and he wouldn't hear of it, too preposterous.
- Charles C. all with other trads have hopes on this man, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Prince_Louis,_Duke_of_Anjou
- Solange Hertz - would be of the opinion that Nand. might be true...can't recall her exact words.

Is the descendant the future Monarch? 
No idea, but i can attest that something is going on here that has ruffled many feathers.



Re: Catholic Prophecy - MMMMMMM - 01-30-2012

(01-30-2012, 08:57 PM)mikemac Wrote: Children of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette


As you can see from the page on the House of Bourbon there are many claimants.  Nevertheless just like in Gedeon's time (Book of Judges chapters 6 to 8 ) I believe God Himself will pick the Great Monarch as well as his forces.

Good point.  Research more on Henri, Count of Cham. and Melanie of LaSalette, St. John Vianney and I think even Marie-Julie Jahenny spoke of the Comte as possibly God's intended
Monarch, but "France did not deserve it"


Re: Catholic Prophecy - mikemac - 01-30-2012

Very interesting Don, especially the part where the Dauphin and his sister were switched.  So who do they mean by the Comte?

The organization called 'Tradition, Family and Property' had this guy speak at a Walk For Life in Washington just recently.  Prince Bertrand of Orléans-Braganza is also related to the Royal House of Portugal and the Royal House of France (Orleanist claimants), both by his father's lineage, and to the Royal House of Wittelsbach, by his mother's lineage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Bertrand_of_Orl%C3%A9ans-Braganza

You can find the House of Bourbon-Orléans-Braganza in the Notable legitimate branches list on this House of Bourbon page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bourbon

But 'America Needs Fatima', a sister organization of 'Tradition, Family and Property' are distorting Our Lord's words regarding the Message of Fatima.  See this post below.  It's a shame too cause 'America Needs Fatima' is fairly large and seems to be growing in the US. 
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3448223.msg33686239.html#msg33686239   


Re: Catholic Prophecy - mikemac - 01-31-2012

(01-30-2012, 10:57 PM)Don Quixote Wrote:
(01-30-2012, 05:07 PM)maso Wrote:
(01-29-2012, 09:20 PM)Don Quixote Wrote: Re. Great Monarch
A  European Catholic group allegedly has a descendant of Louis XVI in hiding (no, not speaking of the current Orlean Masonic branch)
this is allegedly a descendant of the Dauphin.
Looong story, quite fascinatiing and allegedly attempts have been made on his life.  I have heard some anecdotal evidence....i have seen no concrete evidence yet.
However, i am of the opinion there is something to it...at least in importance due to some circumstances that took place years ago.  Time will tell.

It was recently proven that the Dauphin died while in jail and had no offspring. His heart had been taken by a doctor who assisted him at his deathbed and kept it immersed in alcohol with a written report. His descendants always doubted this until a DNA forensic test was performed and authenticated the relic. It is now in the St Denis church where is the royal necropole.
Possibly the Great Monarch will be descendant of one of Louis XVI's brothers, either Louis XVIII or Charles X ?


Precisely Maso! Splendid memory!
It was exactly this incident that tipped me off to begin in believing that something is amiss.
Ok, background, long before the supposed finding of this "heart".  The persons involved were in the process of publishing their findings with conclusive proof that
the Dauphin was switched.  Those were exciting days prior to their sudden ooops we found the heart in a "jar".   If i was seating on the fence well this made me jump
off it b/c i know the players, story and results of the investigations.  Timeing is everything. So coincidentally --after loosing the the heart for over a century, it turns up in a pickle jar
and just happens to be the Dauphin. Rightoooo.  So know the Masonic branch can bury the heart at St. Denis Chapel and "he will be finally able to rest in peace." 
      The Hapsburg s have in the Skull (see wiki) a trait that can easily be defined (no wonder they used a 200 yr. old "heart" and not a skull). Even Napoleon who
dug the body up knew he was replaced with a sick child. Look, it has been some years but i can tell you this, it is not just the Dauphin that was switched but
also the sister with a relative. Moreover, her body has been found and is intact, Incorruptible. Ever wonder why "she"-impostor went a. crazy, totally bonkers (historians mystefied)
b. Why she always refused to see the one man that knew she was a fake?
Like i said it is a long story and eventually the truth will be revealed.  I was sitting on the fence until that silly episode of Finding the heart after 200 years- a heart that was
lost, found, lost and found again and lo behold it is the Dauphin. That indicated that the Royals know the truth, they have the media in their pocket and it would take a
long time before the truth would come out, nevertheless it will. 


Notes:
- I once spoke to Warren Carroll and he wouldn't hear of it, too preposterous.
- Charles C. all with other trads have hopes on this man, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Prince_Louis,_Duke_of_Anjou
- Solange Hertz - would be of the opinion that Nand. might be true...can't recall her exact words.

Is the descendant the future Monarch? 
No idea, but i can attest that something is going on here that has ruffled many feathers.

I found this side by side comparison 'DNA Test Solves Mystery of French Child King' and 'Eleazer Williams claimed to be son of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette'.
http://richlabonte.net/exonews/xtra3/lost_king.htm

The DNA test ends like this.
"Finally, the scientists explained, they matched it with DNA from presumptive relatives of Louis-Charles, both living and dead. They were given hair samples from Marie-Antoinette and her two sisters, which had been preserved in lockets, while two living descendants of the sisters, Queen Anna of Romania and her brother, Andre of Bourbon-Parma, donated tissue samples for comparison. In fact, science could not entirely solve the mystery. The analysis confirmed only that the heart is that of a relative of Marie-Antoinette and her relatives. As chief scientist Jean-Jacques Cassiman put it: "It is up to historians to determine whether it is [that of] Louis XVII."

Could have been the heart of the boy that was switched with the Dauphin.

Prince Louis, Duke of Anjou seemed to think the DNA test was conclusive and he almost seemed pleased.

I kind of doubt Eleazer Williams' claim too seeing he brought Oneida Indians to Wisconsin from New York and set up an Episcopal church.  The Episcopal church doesn't really jive, does it?  Although apparently François-Ferdinand-Philippe-Louis-Marie d'Orléans, prince de Joinville traveled there to check out Williams.

Along the same line there is a town called Dauphin, Manitoba in the same region where Louis Riel was setting up his basically Catholic Metis province of Assiniboia.  They were mostly French, Natives and Scottish Highlanders.  And the mystery continues.  But God knows.  What a cool story.

Don Quixote I guess you were meaning Henri of Artois, Count of Chambord when you said "even Marie-Julie Jahenny spoke of the Comte as possibly God's intended Monarch", or were you?  But the Count of Chambord died without issue.  Or did he?  Why, is there another hidden child mystery? lol     


Re: Catholic Prophecy - MMMMMMM - 01-31-2012


Excellent sleuthing M.M.!

Yes, even Mark Twain wrote about the Dauphin.  I once found the 1850 book on it with over 50 Claimants including an American Indian Chief.
Oddity is how his "doctor" survived the terror and escaped to America.  I could not figure that one out, unless it is false.  He would have known
too much....i don't know.

Re. Duke of Anjou, friends of friends tell me things who know him well, i really don't think he is the one, but the fact J.Carlos doesn't like him is interesting.
Re. Comte, yes that one based on those 3 it seems as if God had him in mind to lead France (ie. Great Monarch) but the people did not deserve him. He is
known for his short angelic life though.

There is more to the whole DNA thing, i cant recall much.....look at the Specialist who examined the heart. That would be a clue...and look at his past case study.
Return later....


Re: Catholic Prophecy - Nicolaus - 01-31-2012

(01-29-2012, 11:58 AM)verenaerin Wrote: I think that the reason that the Blessed Mother says the Consecration will be late is because of the #DD. I don't see that not happeneing. I also think that it would be more likely to happen in 2017, because the messages of Fatima, 100 years prior, were approved. The 1929 message was a private revelation. I think Christ would put the focus on His Mother's word.

"As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as no one has ever seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only consolation which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests."

- Our Lady of Akita, 1973

I do not think that there is any question on the direction of the world since 1973.

"After the three days of darkness, St. Peter and St. Paul, having come down from Heaven, will preach in the whole world and designate a new Pope. A great light will flash from their bodies and will settle upon the cardinal who is to become Pope. Christianity, then, will spread throughout the world. He is the Holy Pontiff, chosen by God to withstand the storm. At the end, he will have the gift of miracles, and his name shall be praised over the whole earth. Whole nations will come back to the Church and the face of the earth will be renewed. Russia, England, and China will come into the Church." (Prophecy of Blessed Anna Maria Taigi (1769-1837 A.D.) who was Beatified by Pope Bendedict XV in 1920.)



From what I have understood, this is how I see the timeline...

1. The warning, the miracle and the sign
2. Sometime after or during the Pope will flee Rome and be murdered
3. 3DD, new Pope chosen by Heaven, he will be very holy
4 Consecration, period of peace for unknown amount of time till we scerw everything up again
5. AC

Sorry Tim, I don't see any way that we will avoid the 3DD. That doesn't bother me really. What worries me is that Satan knows His time is extremely limited before God resets everything. We are potentially talking about 5 years. So what worries me is what is He going to do from now till then? What will he do to try and drag as many of us down to hell before the great period of grace?

It concerns me because I have children. If I was single I would just say,"Bring it." and keep going. But as any parent knows, your children make you very vulnerable. We must protect them at all costs, since they are most targeted. Provisions must be made, spiritually and otherwise.
This is exactley how I feel. My faith always gives me hope in the Lord, but I still worry about the temporal well being of my Wife and children.


Re: Catholic Prophecy - Lion of St. Jarlaths - 01-31-2012

(01-28-2012, 04:49 AM)mikemac Wrote: Good article joseph onyl.  I posted this about a month ago.  I couldn't verify the source of the different prophecies from Ireland about the Great Gaulish Monarch that are in the video. 

(12-19-2011, 03:46 AM)mikemac Wrote:
(12-18-2011, 06:21 AM)Arun Wrote: I had heard speculation that the Great Monarch would come from the line of Louis XIII but I cannot remember who said it or why they believed that...

so could be utter nonsense...

or could be sound...

lol sorry I cannot remember...

This video about prophecies from Ireland and the Great Monarch is very interesting.  One of the prophecies is "Legion and progeny of the King that XVI is his number come to hunt the tyrants."  The last Bourbon king before the French Revolution was Louis XVI.  If you look at the French Monarchs' genealogy it traces it back to Hugh Capet, the Merovingians and the Carolingians who were Franks, a German tribe.  But not very long ago I was looking at a site that traced Hugh Capet's line further back to an Ard Rí or High King of Ireland.  I've been looking for it for a couple of hours but I haven't been able to find it.  I wanted to see if it had a King Arthur in the line. lol

This page on Hugh Capet is interesting too.  According to it in 987 when the last of Charlemagne's direct descendants, Louis the Child died the barons met together to choose a ruler and Duke Hugh Capet became king.  "Gaul, or France, had been ruled for many years by Romans and by Germans, but Hugh Capet was a Frenchman, ruling French people, the first king of France."  I kind of doubt "the first king of France" but that's what the page says.
http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=tappan&book=middle&story=capet 

The first line in the Irish prophecies is "Ireland, recall from exile your forgotten sons."
It goes on to say "warriors she call on you to fight", she meaning Mary. 
"her lieutenant is Ard ri Erenn monarch of Tara"
"He is not Irish but his heart was"
"He is from lilies of France and knows how to carry the cross"
Then it says
"to crush the tyrant you will only rely on the Gedeon forces" in reference to the Book of Judges chapters 6 to 8.
"from the Galleon of New France, Gedeon move slowly"
There used to be a short Canadian history clip played quite often here that showed that many Quebec families adopted Irish orphans that their parents died on the coffin ships after the potato famine.  If I can remember correctly it said that about a quarter of the population of Quebec now has Irish roots, but I'm thinking it may have said more.  An Irish only Legion led by the progeny of Louis XVI under Mary's banner to go hunt the tyrants.  Amazing.  Gives me the shivers.  Many people of Highland Scot decent are Irish from way back too. lol  At one time Scotland used to be called Scotia Minor, Erenn being Scotia Major.  A dna study of France shows 80% in the west and about 60% in the east having Celtic R1b Y haplogroup still from the time of the Gauls.



Yes for sure, the Great Monarch would definitely have to be consecrated to her and use the standard of the Holy Mother of God.

In the most recent issue of the Fatima Crusader, the 100th issue, Father Gruner has a time line of the events of his apostolate.  When talking about the Pope with all the bishops doing a proper consecration of Russia Father Gruner says on page 34, "There is nothing really stopping him at the present time.  But in the short space of a few months or a few years, he may no longer have that freedom."

There are a number of approved prophecies which state that England will suffer a very specific chastisement because of her extreme wickedness, afterwards the Irish and French will be instrumental in her reevangelization and return to the true faith.  

Regarding the Great Monarch, from what I remember of Desmond Birch's book, the timeline for the appearance of this important person is entirely conditional upon the faithful.  He could arise at the beginning of the chastisement or not until the toward its end.  It seems to me that its beginning to look like the later.  Also, from Mr. BIrch's book we will know for certain that the chastisement has begun once we witness a worldwide financial collapse followed by civil wars breaking out in France and Italy.  Shortly thereafter, England will also suffer from a horrible civil war.

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12473a.htm

Prophecies of St. Malachy

Concerning Ireland

This prophecy, which is distinct from the prophecies attributed to St. Malachy concerning the popes, is to the effect that his beloved native isle would undergo at the hands of England oppression, persecution, and calamities of every kind, during a week of centuries; but that she would preserve her fidelity to God and to His Church amidst all her trials. At the end of seven centuries she would be delivered from her oppressors (or oppressions), who in their turn would be subjected to dreadful chastisements, and Catholic Ireland would be instrumental in bringing back the British nation to that Divine Faith which Protestant England had, during three hundred years, so rudely endeavoured to wrest from her. This prophecy is said to have been copied by the learned Dom Mabillon from an ancient manuscript preserved at Clairvaux, and transmitted by him to the martyred successor of Oliver Plunkett.

"Ireland will suffer English oppression for a week of centuries, but will preserve her fidelity to God and His Church.  At the end of that time she will be delivered, and the English in turn must suffer severe chastisement.  Ireland, however, will be instrumental in bringing back the English to the unity of Faith."


St. Edward the Confessor also states that England will undergo a severe punishment because of her break with the Catholic Church.

St. Edward the Confessor (11th Century)

"The extreme corruption and wickedness of the English nation has provoked the just anger of God.  When malice has reached the fullness of its measure, God will, in His wrath, send to the English people wicked spirits, who will punish and afflict them with severity, by separating the green tree from its parent stem the length of three furlongs.  But at last this same tree, through the compassionate mercy of God, and without any national (governmental) assistance, shall return to its original root, reflourish, and bear abundant fruit."

The interpretation given to this prophecy is remarkable when applied to the events which have happened. The spirits mentioned in it were the Protestant innovators who pretended, in the sixteenth century, to reform the Catholic Church in England. The severance of the green tree from its trunk signifies the separation of the English Church from the root of the Catholic Church, from the Roman See. This tree, however, was to be separated from its life-giving root the distance of "three furlongs". These three furlongs are understood to
signify three centuries, at the end of which England would again be reunited to the Catholic Church, and bring forth flowers of virtue and fruits of sanctity. The prophecy was quoted by Ambrose Lisle Philipps on the occasion of the reestablishment of the Catholic hierarchy in England by Pope Pius IX in 1850.








Re: Catholic Prophecy - mikemac - 02-01-2012

Wow that all adds to the prophecies that say the Great Monarch's Gedeon forces will come from the Irish.  Thanks Lion of St. Jarlaths.  Very interesting.
(01-31-2012, 02:12 PM)Lion of St. Jarlaths Wrote: From the Catholic Encyclopedia:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12473a.htm

It's interesting how this page ends too.
Quote:There are many other private prophecies concerning the remote and proximate signs which will precede the General Judgment and concerning Antichrist, such as those attributed to St. Hildegarde, St. Bridget of Sweden, Blessed Anna Maria Taigi (the "three days' darkness"), the Curé d'Ars, and many others. These do not enlighten us any more than do the Scriptural prophecies as to the day and the hour of that judgment, which still remains a Divine secret.