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Errors of Russia - onosurf - 02-14-2012

See article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100610/Vladimir-Putin-ridiculed-demanding-Russians-sex-halt-declining-population.html

Have all the errors of Russia infected the world?




Re: Errors of Russia - PeterII - 02-14-2012

Russia's error, spread around the world, is that government intervention will make things better.  It doesn't.  It makes things worse.  Putin is still applying those erroneous principles.

That being said, I'm willing to do my part populating Mother Russia.


Re: Errors of Russia - Walty - 02-14-2012

Government is not inherently evil.  I believe that's an error of the Enlightenment.  One of the major errors of Russia is secular government;  there are few things worse.


Re: Errors of Russia - Traditional Guy - 02-14-2012

(02-14-2012, 10:53 AM)Walty Wrote: Government is not inherently evil.  I believe that's an error of the Enlightenment.  One of the major errors of Russia is secular government;  there are few things worse.
THIS.

That is the problem with libertarianism, another error of liberalism. It put the individual about the community.

And before we condemn Russia we have the same problems they do.


Re: Errors of Russia - Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012

The "errors of Russia" are simply put the spread of Marxism, which manifests itself on many planes not just the political.

Saying that heaven intervened on behalf of libertarianism - "less government, more freedom" - is ridiculous.


Re: Errors of Russia - PeterII - 02-14-2012

(02-14-2012, 10:56 AM)Traditional Guy Wrote:
(02-14-2012, 10:53 AM)Walty Wrote: Government is not inherently evil.  I believe that's an error of the Enlightenment.  One of the major errors of Russia is secular government;  there are few things worse.
THIS.

That is the problem with libertarianism, another error of liberalism. It put the individual about the community.

And before we condemn Russia we have the same problems they do.

The problem here is the idolatry of central planning.  An individual who doesn't coerce others is not a problem to the community.  By what authority can a government coerce individuals?  Who put them in charge?  A community that doesn't protect the individual is useless. 





Re: Errors of Russia - Vetus Ordo - 02-14-2012

(02-14-2012, 11:33 AM)PeterII Wrote: By what authority can a government coerce individuals? 

God's.

Quote:Who put them in charge?

God.


Re: Errors of Russia - Walty - 02-14-2012

(02-14-2012, 11:33 AM)PeterII Wrote:
(02-14-2012, 10:56 AM)Traditional Guy Wrote:
(02-14-2012, 10:53 AM)Walty Wrote: Government is not inherently evil.  I believe that's an error of the Enlightenment.  One of the major errors of Russia is secular government;  there are few things worse.
THIS.

That is the problem with libertarianism, another error of liberalism. It put the individual about the community.

And before we condemn Russia we have the same problems they do.

The problem here is the idolatry of central planning.  An individual who doesn't coerce others is not a problem to the community.  By what authority can a government coerce individuals?  Who put them in charge?  A community that doesn't protect the individual is useless.   

Well, St. Paul tells us that all those in authority are granted that authority from God, and that exercise of that authority is justified so long as it does not contradict the higher authority.  Individual freedoms are valuable only in so far as they make individuals free to serve God, and to act with truth and virtue.

There are no "rights" that man deserves beside to worship God and practice virtue.


Re: Errors of Russia - Traditional Guy - 02-14-2012

(02-14-2012, 11:33 AM)PeterII Wrote: The problem here is the idolatry of central planning.  An individual who doesn't coerce others is not a problem to the community.  By what authority can a government coerce individuals?  Who put them in charge?  A community that doesn't protect the individual is useless.   
But see you have fallen for the very same idolatry of Marxism (another offshoot of liberalism). "Man's role is to do what he wants and overcome Nature!" The Community is a lot more important than the individual. China, has grown more rapidly than any country on earth and it is built on autocracy and mercantilism.


Re: Errors of Russia - PeterII - 02-14-2012

(02-14-2012, 10:59 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The "errors of Russia" are simply put the spread of Marxism, which manifests itself on many planes not just the political.

Saying that heaven intervened on behalf of libertarianism - "less government, more freedom" - is ridiculous.

But then you're contradicting yourself by saying the "errors of Russia" is the spread of Marxism, which is: more government, less freedom.