FishEaters Traditional Catholic Forums
I'll have a Black and White - Printable Version

+- FishEaters Traditional Catholic Forums (https://www.fisheaters.com/forums)
+-- Forum: Piazza (https://www.fisheaters.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=3)
+--- Forum: Health, Food, Drink, and Tobacco (https://www.fisheaters.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=23)
+--- Thread: I'll have a Black and White (/showthread.php?tid=55726)



I'll have a Black and White - Heinrich - 06-09-2012

Let's go crush a few pints of Guinness and Raw milk, shall we! (No, not trying to Yodyntax). I knew this without even needing smart German speaking guys to prove it.

The miracle molecule: Hidden vitamin found in BEER and MILK can make you stronger, slimmer and healthier
It can improve muscular performance and prevent diabetes
By JENNY HOPE
PUBLISHED: 12:00 EST, 7 June 2012 | UPDATED: 19:52 EST, 7 June 2012
Comments (71)
Share
 
If you were planning on having a quick pint tonight, then this will be welcome news.
Beer may contain a vitamin which can fight obesity and improve muscle strength, scientists claim.
The ‘miracle molecule’, which has been found in milk and may also be present in beer and some foods, has no side effects and could even lengthen lifespan, they say.

White stuff: Researchers say the molecule found in milk could help prevent weight gain and diabetes and improve muscular performance (posed by model)
The snag is that the molecule, called nicotinamide riboside (NR), is extremely small, difficult to find and expensive to synthesise.
Johnan Auwerx, head of the Ecole Polytechnique Federale in Lausanne, Switzerland, said experiments using mice revealed the molecule’s potential.

More...
Tomatoes 'help keep skin young' and protect against sunburn
In an article in the specialist journal Cell Metabolism journal, Mr Auwerx called the results 'impressive'
'NR appears to play a role in preventing obesity,' said Mr Auwerx.
Working with Weill Cornell  Medical College in New York, his team found mice on a high-fat diet that were fed NR gained significantly less weight – 60 per cent – than mice eating the same diet without NR supplements.
And none of the NR-treated mice had indications that they were developing diabetes, unlike the untreated mice.
Mice which were fed NR supplements over a ten-week period had better endurance performance than those who were not.

Benefits: Amazingly, a vitamin found in beer could help improve your strength and shape
They were also in better shape – and this was confirmed by observations of their muscle fibres under the microscope.
The molecule works by becoming trapped in cells where it boosts the metabolism, much like resveratrol, which is found in wine.
No side effects were discovered during the experiments.
'It really appears that cells use what they need when they need it, and the rest is set aside without being transformed into any kind of deleterious form,' said study author Carles Canto in a statement.
Mice who had been fed the molecule also performed better in endurance tests, as well as in tests measuring heat loss.
The researchers believe an increase in the molecule reflects an improvement in mitochondrial function, the part of the cell that supplies energy.
Mitochondria are thought to play a part in the aging process. It is hoped that by stimulating mitochondrial function with the NR molecule, scientists may see increases in longevity as well as other health improvements.
But the molecule is difficult to reproduce and extremely small. 'At the moment, we can’t even measure its concentration in milk, so it’s impossible to know how much you would have to drink to be able to observe its effects,' Mr Auwerx added.
Research will continue with human testing at some point in the future.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2156011/Nicotinamide-riboside-Hidden-vitamin-BEER-MILK-make-stronger-slimmer-healthier.html#ixzz1xJuLgERT


Re: I'll have a Black and White - Historian - 06-09-2012

Scientists are always looking at the microscopic while ignoring the big picture.

A chemical in a food won't do any good for a fundamentally destructive life style.

There is an obsession with food being "good" or "bad" based on limited criteria. A baked potato and a cup of cooked rice is "bad", whereas the 100 calorie packet of chemicals is "good".

Beer, chocolate, etc do not need justification of nutrients to be used for a good purpose.

Share and enjoy?


Re: I'll have a Black and White - Heinrich - 06-09-2012

(06-09-2012, 05:35 PM)Rosarium Wrote: Scientists are always looking at the microscopic while ignoring the big picture.

A chemical in a food won't do any good for a fundamentally destructive life style.

There is an obsession with food being "good" or "bad" based on limited criteria. A baked potato and a cup of cooked rice is "bad", whereas the 100 calorie packet of chemicals is "good".

Beer, chocolate, etc do not need justification of nutrients to be used for a good purpose.

Share and enjoy?

I am with you in the bold; not sure what you are trying to say with the rest, exactly.

I remember when the red wine craze came about in the 90s: Frenchie eats cheese, smokes, doesn't exercise, but lives to 90 on average! Yeah, well, there is more to it than that. And the more is a culture that can never be replicated in the US. So yes, I understand that pounding brews(for the average American) in the hopes of generating some type of healthful benefits is mostly folly, but again, if we look at a culture who does this, a modus vivendi is needed to obtain what we already know from observation: Germans drink more beer and eat more meat and cheese yet they are less obese and have fewer heart related illnesses. This is plainly obvious. Culture. It makes the obvious a scientific discovery.

I am not advocating a decadent or irresponsible lifestyle here. Just being cheeky. I am off the sauce for awhile whilst I slim down to 250.




Re: I'll have a Black and White - Historian - 06-09-2012

(06-09-2012, 05:55 PM)Heinrich Wrote: I am with you in the bold; not sure what you are trying to say with the rest, exactly.
I was addressing an attitude which results in these sorts of news stories being widely published, not you or even the details of the article.

Quote:I remember when the red wine craze came about in the 90s: Frenchie eats cheese, smokes, doesn't exercise, but lives to 90 on average! Yeah, well, there is more to it than that. And the more is a culture that can never be replicated in the US. So yes, I understand that pounding brews(for the average American) in the hopes of generating some type of healthful benefits is mostly folly, but again, if we look at a culture who does this, a modus vivendi is needed to obtain what we already know from observation: Germans drink more beer and eat more meat and cheese yet they are less obese and have fewer heart related illnesses. This is plainly obvious. Culture. It makes the obvious a scientific discovery.
The point was that one should drink beer, eat chocolate, etc not because of micro-managing a diet, but because it is satisfying to a real need.

Quote:I am not advocating a decadent or irresponsible lifestyle here. Just being cheeky. I am off the sauce for awhile whilst I slim down to 250.
I know. I was address the spate of news stories about x being good or bad, etc.

Almost all diet and activity of a culture is accidental. It is not something people have ever really thought about (except in religious restrictions). The Plains Indians in the Americas were the tallest, slimmest, and most healthy people, until they became sedentary, then they had all sorts of health (heart, mostly) problems. Their fitness was accidental, as were their future health problems.

This is how humans have always been. We are by defaults products of our environmental upbringing. The environment, lifestyle wise, in the US is very bad. It requires a rational effort to overcome the base tendencies, this takes energy and constant attention to a degree until the necessary habits are formed. Statistically speaking, science cannot do anything, as humans are what we are.

"Share and enjoy" was more of an invitation to use God's creation for good. It is the slogan of "Sirius Cybernetics Corporation".


Re: I'll have a Black and White - Historian - 06-09-2012

(06-09-2012, 05:55 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Just being cheeky. I am off the sauce for awhile whilst I slim down to 250.
I hope you reach your goals.

I personally do not drink alcohol at all. I drink tea or liquids not entirely unlike tea.



Re: I'll have a Black and White - Heinrich - 06-09-2012

Well said, as usual, Ros.

Faith, family, food(local, organically grown and harvested, unadulterated) is the good life.

Thanks for the kind words. I am in optimal health now for my age, but losing a few would help all the more. Cutting out unneeded sugar is the most efficient(along with some serious exercise).

It is very, very, very difficult to eat an Italian meal w/o a red wine. And to abstain from beer in 90 degrees.


Re: I'll have a Black and White - Historian - 06-09-2012

(06-09-2012, 06:34 PM)Heinrich Wrote: Thanks for the kind words. I am in optimal health now for my age, but losing a few would help all the more. Cutting out unneeded sugar is the most efficient(along with some serious exercise).

I think that added sugars (any kind) and flour (any kind) is usually the prime suspect for an elevated weight. I think most people could benefit from restricting any food which contains sugar (syrup, etc) and flour as part of the ingredients list.

For people who are active, eating foods specifically which do have sugar and flour added can be helpful. People often comment on when I eat something with sugar in it. It is part of the "good" and "bad" fallacy. Sugar is sugar, and I am in a physical condition where eating things high in sugar and fat is something which is actually useful. Simplicity is at the heart of what I eat (and general lifestyle). Eating a single meal, of a single simple food, once a day, even in high volume is something which makes indulgence useful during periods of activity (and I have a physical job).

Quote:It is very, very, very difficult to eat an Italian meal w/o a red wine. And to abstain from beer in 90 degrees.
For me, my pleasure is in some spices/herbs and olive oil. I like to add that to what I do eat, sometimes just for taste. That is what I restrict in Lent, although it does seem trivial to me.


Re: I'll have a Black and White - Titus Alba - 06-09-2012

(06-09-2012, 06:34 PM)Heinrich Wrote: It is very, very, very difficult to eat an Italian meal w/o a red wine. And to abstain from beer in 90 degrees.

What bible verse is that?


Re: I'll have a Black and White - Arun - 06-26-2012

sip sip


Re: I'll have a Black and White - jonbhorton - 06-29-2012

(06-09-2012, 11:42 PM)Titus Alba Wrote:
(06-09-2012, 06:34 PM)Heinrich Wrote: It is very, very, very difficult to eat an Italian meal w/o a red wine. And to abstain from beer in 90 degrees.

What bible verse is that?

Quote:6 Give strong drink to them that are sad: and wine to them that are grieved in mind:

7 Let them drink, and forget their want, and remember their sorrow no more.
- Proverbs 31

I can't eat an Italian meal without thinking about all the poor folks everywhere who fall victim to vampires without garlic. And the heat is just depressing.

Drink up!