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Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes - Might_4_Right - 06-23-2012

This study is relevant to the so called spirit of Vatican II changes that have so diminished the concept of hell in the teachings of church. This new feel good notion that everybody goes to heaven and nobody goes to hell except for maybe Hitler.

Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes
June 22, 2012 SEATTLE (CBS Seattle)

Believing if you are on a “highway to hell” could impact whether or not if you commit a crime.

A study published in the scientific journal PLoS One by University of Oregon’s Azim Shariff and University of Kansas’s Mijke Rhemtulla finds that people who believe in hell are less likely to commit a crime while people who believe in heaven more likely are to get in trouble with the law.

The two professors collected data for belief in hell, heaven and God from the World and European Values Surveys that were conducted between 1981 until 2007 with 143,197 participants based in 67 countries. They compared the data to the mean standardized crime rate in those countries based on homicides, robberies, rapes, kidnappings, assaults, thefts, auto thefts, drug crimes, burglaries and human trafficking.

“Rates of belief in heaven and hell had significant, unique, and opposing effects on crime rates,” Shariff and Rhemtulla found in the study. “Belief in hell predicted lower crime rates … whereas belief in heaven predicted higher crime rates.”

They also found that a recent social psychological experiment found that Christian participants who believe in a forgiving God gave themselves more money for the study.

“Participants in the punishing God and both human conditions overpaid themselves less than 50 cents more than what they deserved for their anagrams, and did not statistically differ from the neutral condition, those who wrote about a forgiving God overpaid themselves significantly more-nearly two dollars,” the study found.

Shariff and Rhemtulla believe that the study raises “important questions about the potential impact of religious beliefs on global crime.”

Source: http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/06/22/study-finds-people-who-believe-in-heaven-commit-more-crimes/


Re: Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes - newyorkcatholic - 06-23-2012

So weird that "people who believe in Heaven" and "people who believe in Hell" are seen as two different groups.

They often are, but often aren't.  I'd especially guess a huge percentage of those who believe in Hell also believe in Heaven.

Perhaps not a huge percentage but still a significant percentage of those who believe in Heaven would also believe in Hell if they are traditional Catholics or Orthodox, believing traditional Protestants, Muslims, etc.

The excerpt you posted (that's all I read) seems to ignore this ... not sure what value any analysis could have that ignores this.


Re: Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes - Sondaar - 06-23-2012

Blah, blah, blah

Post hoc ergo propter hoc......


Re: Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes - Might_4_Right - 06-23-2012

(06-23-2012, 04:43 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote: So weird that "people who believe in Heaven" and "people who believe in Hell" are seen as two different groups.

They often are, but often aren't.  I'd especially guess a huge percentage of those who believe in Hell also believe in Heaven.

Perhaps not a huge percentage but still a significant percentage of those who believe in Heaven would also believe in Hell if they are traditional Catholics or Orthodox, believing traditional Protestants, Muslims, etc.

The excerpt you posted (that's all I read) seems to ignore this ... not sure what value any analysis could have that ignores this.

It makes sense to me that if you believe that everyone that dies goes to heaven, like many in the new age religions do, than it doesn't matter what sins you commit, but if you believe that there is also the possibility of going to hell like traditional Catholics do, than of course you are going to be much more cautious.


Re: Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes - Might_4_Right - 06-23-2012

(06-23-2012, 04:52 PM)Sondaar Wrote: Blah, blah, blah

Post hoc ergo propter hoc......

You must admit such a link is at least plausible.


Re: Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes - newyorkcatholic - 06-23-2012

(06-23-2012, 05:06 PM)Might_4_Right Wrote:
(06-23-2012, 04:43 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote: So weird that "people who believe in Heaven" and "people who believe in Hell" are seen as two different groups.

They often are, but often aren't.  I'd especially guess a huge percentage of those who believe in Hell also believe in Heaven.

Perhaps not a huge percentage but still a significant percentage of those who believe in Heaven would also believe in Hell if they are traditional Catholics or Orthodox, believing traditional Protestants, Muslims, etc.

The excerpt you posted (that's all I read) seems to ignore this ... not sure what value any analysis could have that ignores this.

It makes sense to me that if you believe that everyone that dies goes to heaven, like many in the new age religions do, than it doesn't matter what sins you commit, but if you believe that there is also the possibility of going to hell like traditional Catholics do, than of course you are going to be much more cautious.

What you wrote makes sense, but what the excerpt discusses is very different.  It discusses a world where we can test two groups of people, "people who believe in Heaven" and "people who believe in Hell", as if these weren't highly overlapping categories.

They did not, but probably should have, talked about people who believe *they* will certainly go to Heaven vs. people who believe *they* may go to Hell.  At least in the excerpt you posted that I read.


Re: Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes - Might_4_Right - 06-23-2012

(06-23-2012, 05:23 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote:
(06-23-2012, 05:06 PM)Might_4_Right Wrote:
(06-23-2012, 04:43 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote: So weird that "people who believe in Heaven" and "people who believe in Hell" are seen as two different groups.

They often are, but often aren't.  I'd especially guess a huge percentage of those who believe in Hell also believe in Heaven.

Perhaps not a huge percentage but still a significant percentage of those who believe in Heaven would also believe in Hell if they are traditional Catholics or Orthodox, believing traditional Protestants, Muslims, etc.

The excerpt you posted (that's all I read) seems to ignore this ... not sure what value any analysis could have that ignores this.

It makes sense to me that if you believe that everyone that dies goes to heaven, like many in the new age religions do, than it doesn't matter what sins you commit, but if you believe that there is also the possibility of going to hell like traditional Catholics do, than of course you are going to be much more cautious.

What you wrote makes sense, but what the excerpt discusses is very different.  It discusses a world where we can test two groups of people, "people who believe in Heaven" and "people who believe in Hell", as if these weren't highly overlapping categories.

They did not, but probably should have, talked about people who believe *they* will certainly go to Heaven vs. people who believe *they* may go to Hell.  At least in the excerpt you posted that I read.

Oh, I see what you're saying.  You're right... the excerpt doesn't make that very clear, does it?  In the study they used people who believe in heaven but not hell, as compared to people that believe in heaven but also in hell.



Re: Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes - Might_4_Right - 06-23-2012

I like the study because it seems to confirm my belief that the post Vatican II teachings that have so downplayed the reality of hell, to the point that most young Catholics don't believe in it anymore, has had a detrimental effect on the social behavior of young Catholics.


Re: Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes - Sondaar - 06-24-2012

(06-23-2012, 05:21 PM)Might_4_Right Wrote:
(06-23-2012, 04:52 PM)Sondaar Wrote: Blah, blah, blah

Post hoc ergo propter hoc......

You must admit such a link is at least plausible.
I'm sorry if that sounded incredibly condescending - I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the academics who did the research.

The reason I wrote that was because it sounded like some the neo-Marxist "research" I've read about in Sociology, which was trying to prove religion as "the opium of the masses".


Re: Study Finds People Who Believe In Heaven Commit More Crimes - Adam Wayne - 06-24-2012

From what you quoted from the study, I fail to see a causal relationship here. Perhaps it is explained in more detail within the link.

And I don't know if this makes sense, but lots of people who are convicted of crimes find God. Very often it is sincere and out of humility. Sometimes it's not and is used to pad their parole hearing resume.

Now in general, do I see a problem with this idea that many Catholics even as old, or older than myself thinks everyone goes to heaven? Yes I do.

But, I don't think it was proclaimed in the Council.

You know, every once in awhile I like to throw out the idea that this modern world may have existed in its current deplorable state even if the Tridentine Mass was not replaced. Don't count out the forces of darkness for getting people to compromise their beliefs or have them weakened no matter which Mass they may attend. Maybe the world, or we as Catholics, deserved to have the Mass of all ages taken away for a time. Maybe a fruit of Vatican II is to be able to blame the modernist heresies on the New Mass and the Tridentine was protected and preserved from taking the blame of all the modernist errors.

Just a little food for thought. It may in fact have been a blessing. God works in mysterious ways. Obviously.