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Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people - rbjmartin - 11-01-2012

Presented without commentary. What do you think?

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1004736.htm

Quote:Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people

By Sarah Delaney
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Benedict XVI and other church leaders said it was the moral responsibility of nations to guarantee access to health care for all of their citizens, regardless of social and economic status or their ability to pay.

Access to adequate medical attention, the pope said in a written message Nov. 18, was one of the "inalienable rights" of man.

The pope's message was read by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Vatican secretary of state, to participants at the 25th International Conference of the Pontifical Council for Health Care Ministry at the Vatican Nov. 18-19.

The theme of this year's meeting was "Caritas in Veritate - toward an equitable and human health care."

The pope lamented the great inequalities in health care around the globe. While people in many parts of the world aren't able to receive essential medications or even the most basic care, in industrialized countries there is a risk of "pharmacological, medical and surgical consumerism" that leads to "a cult of the body," the pope said.

"The care of man, his transcendent dignity and his inalienable rights" are issues that should concern Christians, the pope said.

Because an individual's health is a "precious asset" to society as well as to himself, governments and other agencies should seek to protect it by "dedicating the equipment, resources and energy so that the greatest number of people can have access."

"Justice in health care should be a priority of governments and international institutions," he said, cautioning that protecting human health does not include euthanasia or promoting artificial reproductive techniques that include the destruction of embryos.

Care for human life from conception to its natural end must be a guiding light in determining health care policy, the pope said.

In his own written statement, Cardinal Bertone had strong words in support of the need for governments to take care of all citizens, especially children, the elderly, the poor and immigrants.

"Justice requires guaranteed universal access to health care," he said, adding that the provision of minimal levels of medical attention to all is "commonly accepted as a fundamental human right."

Governments are obligated, therefore, to adopt the proper legislative, administrative and financial measures to provide such care along with other basic conditions that promote good health, such as food security, water and housing, the cardinal said.

Private health insurance companies, he said, should conform to human rights legislation and see to it that "privatization not become a threat to the accessibility, availability and quality of health care goods and services."

Cardinal Bertone recommended that government leaders in poor countries use their limited resources wisely and for the good of their citizens.

The governments of richer nations with good health care available should practice more solidarity with their own disadvantaged citizens and help developing countries promote health care while trying to avoid a "paternalistic or humiliating" way of assisting, the cardinal said.

Cardinal Bertone warned of the "war of interests" between pharmaceutical companies and developing nations who have little access to medicines because they can't pay for them. He said that those manufacturers should not be driven by "profit as the only objective" in the creation and distribution of medicines.

Archbishop Zygmunt Zimowski, president of the Pontifical Council for Health Care Ministry, said in opening remarks that to have good health "is a natural right" recognized by international institutions.

Despite such recognition, he said, great imbalances persist and developing nations find themselves with inadequate structures and without the ability to provide basic medicines to their people. Wealthier countries, on the other hand, have a "technical" approach to the sick, which ignores "the sick person in his entirety and dignity," Archbishop Zimowski said.

The council, created by Pope John Paul II 25 years ago, will continue the church's mission to serve the sick and promote health for all, the archbishop said.



Re: Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people - PeterII - 11-01-2012

I am constructing a cage in the basement to hold my government issued doctor as we speak. 


Re: Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people - rbjmartin - 11-01-2012

You raise an interesting point. Upon whom is it incumbent to provide this service? Do we force doctors/nurses to provide service? What if that creates a disincentive, and we end up with less doctors/nurses? Can we force people to become doctors/nurses?


Re: Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people - Pilgrim - 11-01-2012

(11-01-2012, 01:24 PM)rbjmartin Wrote: Can we force people to become doctors/nurses?

No, but perhaps we can encourage medical students to become general practitioners.  As I understand it, the medical profession (like other sciences) is suffering from over-specialization. 


Re: Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people - James02 - 11-01-2012

Quote:  Pope Benedict XVI and other church leaders said it was the moral responsibility of nations to guarantee access to health care for all of their citizens, regardless of social and economic status or their ability to pay.

It's a logical outcome.  The Catholic Church was infiltrated by marxists and pushed for big government and high taxes.  So contributions to Catholic relief societies and Catholic hospitals have dried up, since everyone is taxed to death.

The CATHOLIC teaching is that the CHURCH takes care of the poor, not the government.  Here is Catholic Social teaching on this issue:

Quote: "it becomes a duty to give to the indigent out of what remains over. "Of that which remaineth, give alms."(14) It is a duty, not of justice
(save in extreme cases), but of Christian charity - a duty not enforced by human law."

The more government gets involved, the less health care there will be, and the sooner the government will blow up.  Will Greece be able to continue with their socialist health care system?  For that matter, how much longer before the socialist Medicare blows up?


Re: Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people - James02 - 11-01-2012

Quote: No, but perhaps we can encourage medical students to become general practitioners.

Who's we?  And how do you "encourage"?  The reason med students don't want to go into general practice, is because it is a major pain in the butt dealing with all the government controlled payment systems.

So here's a solution.  The Free Market.  The Oklahoma Surgical Center is CASH ONLY.  No Medicare, no medicaid, and no insurance.  They charge 20% the typical charge.  If you go to their website, they post what you will pay, all-in.  You write one check, and that's it.

Unfortunately most Americans belong to the fascist health plan system, so they don't care about costs.  And even if they have a high deduct, they can't use the OSC because their fascist health plan won't allow it.  The biggest customers of OSC are Canadians trying to get treatment instead of waiting for months.

(Edit)  There will never be another Ok. Surg. Center if Obamacare is kept as law.  In fact, I don't know if they can survive with Obamacare.  Maybe if they agree to treat only Canadians and not treat Americans they can stay around.


Re: Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people - mistman - 11-01-2012

I didn't find a single person in Canada who disliked their health care system or said they would prefer the American system. I'm going to take a more extensive trip through Canada and do more research on this. For some reason, countries with national systems seem to like them. I think this is because nationalized systems work, but are they just from a Catholic viewpoint? Since Roman Catholicism isn't an option for countries anymore due to religious "freedom," government programs might be a more viable option, but only in nations with homogeneity of culture. Different cultures have different attitudes towards life and health so this wouldn't work as well in America. It would force a "level" playing field where none exists. So, I don't think the Pope should apply a one size fits all philosophy regarding something like this. We want to honor life, but cultural standards and choices too. I have always refused to opt for health care because I consider it a rip-off. If its time to go, its time to go. So for Obama to force me to get that crap is wrong.


Re: Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people - Gerard - 11-01-2012

It's possibly time to start praying for a new conclave. 


Re: Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people - Atomagenesis - 11-01-2012

The Great Chastisement in near at hand.


In 1909, while granting an audience, pope Pius X leaned back and closed his eyes. Suddenly he "awoke" and cried out: "What I see is terrifying. Will it be myself? Will it be my successor? What is certain is that the pope will quit Rome, and in leaving the Vatican, he will have to walk over the dead bodies of his priests."



Re: Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people - James02 - 11-01-2012

Quote: I didn't find a single person in Canada who disliked their health care system or said they would prefer the American system.



I don't want the American system either.  I want a cash for service system with catastrophic insurance for $200/mo.

The Canadian system is bankrupting the Providences (but IT'S FREE!!).  And you have the waiting times of months.  The doctors are all Pakis, the Canadian doctors fled to the US.  Finally, if Canadian healthcare is so good, how does Oklahoma Surgical Center make a business treating Canadians?

Edit:  If you are too lazy to watch the video, check out at 7:30 to about 8:30.  2-3 YEAR wait to get a doctor assigned.  In the meantime $900 to get a blood test at a clinic in Canada.  Hop down to these USA and it is about $100 with no wait.  With a Free Market system, it would probably cost $50.