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Four causes of the Novus Ordo - Burdensome1 - 02-18-2013

This might be fun.  Can we assign Aristotle's four causes to the existence of the Missal of Paul VI?

Material, formal, efficient and final.

I'll have a go at final.  The final cause of the Missal of Paul VI is to destroy Catholic worship as it has been and replace it with some other form of worship.  

I'd say the formal cause is the Protestant Reformation.

I'd really like to hear notions on this if anyone is interested.  Thx.


Re: Four causes of the Novus Ordo - TheOutlookChild - 02-18-2013

umm....just generally http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/freemasonry/plan.htm  :salute:


Re: Four causes of the Novus Ordo - Burdensome1 - 02-18-2013

It was more of a thought experiment using Aristotle's philosophy of causation.  It's a division of causation into discrete divisions for analysis:

Quote:Four Causes refers to an influential principle in Aristotelian thought whereby causes of change or movement are categorized into four fundamental types of answer to the question "why?". Aristotle wrote that "we do not have knowledge of a thing until we have grasped its why, that is to say, its cause."[1][2] While there are cases where identifying a cause is difficult, or in which causes might merge, Aristotle was convinced that his four causes provided an analytical scheme of general applicability.[3]

Aristotle held that there were four kinds of causes:[2][4]

A change or movement's material cause is the aspect of the change or movement which is determined by the material which the moving or changing things are made of. For a table, that might be wood; for a statue, that might be bronze or marble.
A change or movement's formal cause is a change or movement caused by the arrangement, shape or appearance of the thing changing or moving. Aristotle says for example that the ratio 2:1, and number in general, is the cause of the octave.
A change or movement's efficient or moving cause refers to things apart from the thing being changed or moved, which interact so as to be an agency of the change or movement. For example, the efficient cause of a table is a carpenter, or a person working as one, and according to Aristotle the efficient cause of a boy is a father.
An event's final cause is the aim or purpose being served by it. That for the sake of which a thing is what it is. (For a seed, it might be an adult plant. For a sailboat, it might be sailing. For a ball at the top of a ramp, it might be coming to rest at the bottom.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_causes

I thought it might provoke a different type of NO discussion.