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Does the Catholic Church say people are "born" with same-sex attraction? - SaintAndrew - 06-16-2013

Need this to help with a disagreement of sorts. Thank you. :)


Re: Does the Catholic Church say people are "born" with same-sex attraction? - Basilios - 06-16-2013

I don't think the Church teaches either way on this specific thing. I think the stance is that it's irrelevant anyway so no definitive teaching will ever be made.


Re: Does the Catholic Church say people are "born" with same-sex attraction? - JayneK - 06-16-2013

Here is the section in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Quote: 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Basically the official position of the Church is that the cause is "unexplained" but she does acknowledge the tendency can be "deep-seated".  As far as Church teaching goes, it does not matter whether people are born with SSA or not.  They may not act on those attractions and are called to chastity. Catholics are called to treat people with this burden with respect, compassion and sensitivity.


Re: Does the Catholic Church say people are "born" with same-sex attraction? - PioBenedict16 - 06-16-2013

The Catechism, as JayneK pointed out, teaches the causes of same sex attractions are not entirely explained. A priest told me this once "Contrary to what Lady Gaga says, they were not Born This Way."

When they mapped the human genome, they found no so-called "gay gene" so who knows.


Re: Does the Catholic Church say people are "born" with same-sex attraction? - Philosoraptor - 06-16-2013

Since they found no 'gay' genome, I'm betting they didn't find a heterosexual genome either.

It seems possible, if not reasonable, that some are homosexual/pedophilic/zoophilic by nature. It also seems possible these attractions can be influenced or caused by childhood trauma.


Re: Does the Catholic Church say people are "born" with same-sex attraction? - Melkite - 06-17-2013

(06-16-2013, 11:40 AM)SaintAndrew Wrote: Need this to help with a disagreement of sorts. Thank you. :)

People are born with a predisposition to certain personality traits that make it more likely one will develop in a homosexual direction if they are raised in the right environment.  It's like varieties of plants.  You can have the best seeds, soil, fertilizer, etc., around, but if you put it in the wrong environment, it won't grow.  So no one is born attracted to their own sex, or to the opposite sex for that matter.  But, people who are more introverted, sensitive or melancholic, are more likely to develop a homosexual orientation if they are placed in an abusive or negligent environment as a child than a child with a more assertive and sanguine personality would in the same environment.  It's why some boys who are abused grow up gay and others never have any issue with it (becoming gay, not being abused).

Think of it like a basic eye-color gene grid.  On the one axis you have susceptible personality and not susceptible personality.  On the other axis you have good environment (for the development of homosexuality) and bad environment.  Developing homosexuality would be recessive, so it usually only develops with both the right personality and the right environment.  There are exceptions to the rule, but by and large, most homosexuals (at least men) have some kind of history of abuse and/or extreme introversion and emotional sensitivity.


Re: Does the Catholic Church say people are "born" with same-sex attraction? - FaithfulCatholic - 06-17-2013

Those promoting homosexuality have tried mightily for decades to find biological causes for homosexuality but haven't found any that have withstood real scientific scrutiny. Homosexuality is a behavior, not something a person is born with. Bisexuality and transsexualism are behaviors, too. Searching for biological causes for those behaviors will come up with nothing, also. People are born either male or female. Whether they later veer off into homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexualism, or any other disordered behavior is a result of what they experience and internalize after they are born, not before.


Re: Does the Catholic Church say people are "born" with same-sex attraction? - Steven - 06-17-2013

(06-17-2013, 10:42 AM)FaithfulCatholic Wrote: Those promoting homosexuality have tried mightily for decades to find biological causes for homosexuality but haven't found any that have withstood real scientific scrutiny. Homosexuality is a behavior, not something a person is born with. Bisexuality and transsexualism are behaviors, too. Searching for biological causes for those behaviors will come up with nothing, also. People are born either male or female. Whether they later veer off into homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexualism, or any other disordered behavior is a result of what they experience and internalize after they are born, not before.

I do not understand your use of the word "behaviour" . . . since behaviour involves an act, how do you use it to describe those who strongly experience these inclinations despite never acting upon them?  Especially with regards to transsexualism, since unlike homosexuality, a precedent is set for it by many similar issues with which people are born, e.g. intersexuality, "Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome" and Klinefelter syndrome.


Re: Does the Catholic Church say people are "born" with same-sex attraction? - maso - 06-17-2013

If the SSA had genetic causes, the true (monozygotic) twins would be both either 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual.
The truth is that only 11% of the monozygotic pairs have a different sexual attraction.


Re: Does the Catholic Church say people are "born" with same-sex attraction? - FaithfulCatholic - 06-17-2013

Intersexuality is a very rare physical anomaly which one is born with. Homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality are not physical conditions and no one is born as a homosexual, bisexual, or transsexual. They are false beliefs and behaviors which one so inclined can choose to indulge in or not, and Catholics are definitely called to not indulge in immoral behaviors.

Check out the FAQ section of the National Catholic Bioethics Center and/or articles by Dale O'Leary.