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Vatican sources say second miracle approved for John Paul II - St. Pius of Trent - 06-19-2013

http://angelqueen.org/2013/06/18/vatican-sources-say-second-miracle-approved-for-john-paul-ii/






Re: Vatican sources say second miracle approved for John Paul II - Ursus - 06-19-2013

Why is this "second miracle" a closely guarded secret?


Re: Vatican sources say second miracle approved for John Paul II - HotRod - 06-19-2013

My analogy.  He piloted the ship and drove it straight into a reef.  And the fact that the ship didn't sink is supposedly to his credit.

Continuing the analogy, the fact that the Captain of the ship was a really nice guy, has nothing to do with anything.


Re: Vatican sources say second miracle approved for John Paul II - INPEFESS - 06-19-2013

Good! This is one of the best things that could happen to the traditional movement at this time; let the lines be drawn where they will.


Re: Vatican sources say second miracle approved for John Paul II - Scotus - 06-19-2013

(06-19-2013, 12:33 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: Good! This is one of the best things that could happen to the traditional movement at this time; let the lines be drawn where they will.

And things are going to get an awful lot harder for those of us who do not hold to the sedevacantist thesis and yet do not believe that the late Pope should be canonised without at least some statement from the magisterium that he is not being canonised because of the many problematic things he said and did (Assisi 1986 and 2002, active participation in an Animist rite in 1985, kissing the Qur'an, invoking the protection of St John the Baptist upon Islam, etc) but despite them.


Re: Vatican sources say second miracle approved for John Paul II - OldMan - 06-19-2013

(06-19-2013, 12:50 PM)Scotus Wrote:
(06-19-2013, 12:33 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: Good! This is one of the best things that could happen to the traditional movement at this time; let the lines be drawn where they will.

And things are going to get an awful lot harder for those of us who do not hold to the sedevacantist thesis and yet do not believe that the late Pope should be canonised without at least some statement from the magisterium that he is not being canonised because of the many problematic things he said and did (Assisi 1986 and 2002, active participation in an Animist rite in 1985, kissing the Qur'an, invoking the protection of St John the Baptist upon Islam, etc) but despite them.

Gives one cause to pause and reflect  – doesn't it!


Re: Vatican sources say second miracle approved for John Paul II - maso - 06-19-2013

Very odd, that 2nd official "miracle" to be attributed to JPII, bu nobody in the Vatican wants to disclose it.


Re: Vatican sources say second miracle approved for John Paul II - Scotus - 06-19-2013

(06-19-2013, 12:56 PM)OldMan Wrote: Gives one cause to pause and reflect  – doesn't it!

I've been reflecting gravely since the beatification of John Paul II in 2011.


Re: Vatican sources say second miracle approved for John Paul II - INPEFESS - 06-19-2013

(06-19-2013, 12:50 PM)Scotus Wrote:
(06-19-2013, 12:33 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: Good! This is one of the best things that could happen to the traditional movement at this time; let the lines be drawn where they will.

And things are going to get an awful lot harder for those of us who do not hold to the sedevacantist thesis and yet do not believe that the late Pope should be canonised without at least some statement from the magisterium that he is not being canonised because of the many problematic things he said and did (Assisi 1986 and 2002, active participation in an Animist rite in 1985, kissing the Qur'an, invoking the protection of St John the Baptist upon Islam, etc) but despite them.

At the very least, traditional Catholics will almost be forced to take a side. Other than those who still want to believe that canonizations do not engage the Church's infallibility, there will be very little room for waffling in the middle; traditional Catholics won't be able to have their cake and eat it, too. We are either with the Vatican II revolution and all that it stood for or we are not; there is no middle ground or room for compromise.


Re: Vatican sources say second miracle approved for John Paul II - Scotus - 06-19-2013

(06-19-2013, 01:20 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: At the very least, traditional Catholics will almost be forced to take a side. Other than those who still want to believe that canonizations do not engage the Church's infallibility, there will be very little room for waffling in the middle; traditional Catholics won't be able to have their cake and eat it, too. We are either with the Vatican II revolution and all that it stood for or we are not; there is no middle ground or room for compromise.

In a way, I envy the serenity of those who will not be disturbed by this: either because they are sedevacantist and see nothing more than yet another act of an 'imposter Church' or because they venerate Pope John Paul II as a saint already and believe him a great Pope.