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Re: The Catholic Church forbids circumcision for any reason! - Cetil - 02-27-2014

(02-27-2014, 02:57 PM)SaintSebastian Wrote: The preceding sentences makes it pretty clear it is referring to those who have received the Gospel, but either place their hope in circumcision and the Mosaic Law for salvation, or those who, while not placing their hope in it for salvation, still practice it in that context.

I don't see how this applies to those who do it in good faith for medical reasons (whether it is actually medically beneficial is of course a matter of debate here).  

Quote:It firmly believes, professes and teaches that the legal prescriptions of the old Testament or the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, holy sacrifices and sacraments, because they were instituted to signify something in the future, although they were adequate for the divine cult of that age, once our lord Jesus Christ who was signified by them had come, came to an end and the sacraments of the new Testament had their beginning. Whoever, after the passion, places his hope in the legal prescriptions and submits himself to them as necessary for salvation and as if faith in Christ without them could not save, sins mortally. It does not deny that from Christ's passion until the promulgation of the gospel they could have been retained, provided they were in no way believed to be necessary for salvation. But it asserts that after the promulgation of the gospel they cannot be observed without loss of eternal salvation. Therefore it denounces all who after that time observe circumcision, the sabbath and other legal prescriptions as strangers to the faith of Christ and unable to share in eternal salvation, unless they recoil at some time from these errors. Therefore it strictly orders all who glory in the name of Christian, not to practise circumcision either before or after baptism, since whether or not they place their hope in it, it cannot possibly be observed without loss of eternal salvation.

Thank you for a memorable moment of sanity. Quoting fragments of Magisterial documents is very much akin to what the fundamentalists do with Scripture.

C.


Re: The Catholic Church forbids circumcision for any reason! - Jaegermeister - 02-27-2014

(02-27-2014, 04:00 PM)NorthernTrad Wrote: omethign
(02-27-2014, 01:40 PM)Melkite Wrote: I hope many expecting parents will take this to heart.  Circumcision is on the next tier below abortion of the violations of the right to life.

#1 most retarded thing I've seen posted on FE.....ever.

I second this. But then, I've only been reading here for 3 months. I am certain there has been worse. Every one of Geremia's posts makes me shudder. And then I realize why the church is in shambles.

It reminds me of something I read a few years back. Something about how the church was not looking to expand, but rather reducing the cafeteria Catholics on the left and the heretical Catholics on the right. The pews have fewer people in them, but at least the people still in the pews are trying.

:'((


Re: The Catholic Church forbids circumcision for any reason! - PrairieMom - 02-27-2014

(02-27-2014, 08:48 PM)Jaegermeister Wrote:
(02-27-2014, 04:00 PM)NorthernTrad Wrote: omethign
(02-27-2014, 01:40 PM)Melkite Wrote: I hope many expecting parents will take this to heart.  Circumcision is on the next tier below abortion of the violations of the right to life.

#1 most retarded thing I've seen posted on FE.....ever.

I second this. But then, I've only been reading here for 3 months. I am certain there has been worse. Every one of Geremia's posts makes me shudder. And then I realize why the church is in shambles.

It reminds me of something I read a few years back. Something about how the church was not looking to expand, but rather reducing the cafeteria Catholics on the left and the heretical Catholics on the right. The pews have fewer people in them, but at least the people still in the pews are trying.

:'((

LOL, you make a good point.

I'm waiting for the SSPX and pants thread though. I'm curious to know what that one is about.  :safe:


Re: The Catholic Church forbids circumcision for any reason! - austenbosten - 02-27-2014

Good f---ing grief not this thread again!  :eyeroll:

What is it with Catholic's phallic obsession?  :P  There's more penis-talk on here than a porn movie.

(02-27-2014, 01:59 PM)Melkite Wrote: Only if you chose to have it done as an adult and have not repented of it.  If it was done to you as an infant, obviously you are not going to hell for that.

Bwahahahaha so those having to get circumcised because of health reasons are automatically going to Hell?  Sheesh louise talk about goofy-talk

(02-27-2014, 01:40 PM)Melkite Wrote: I hope many expecting parents will take this to heart.  Circumcision is on the next tier below abortion of the violations of the right to life.

Really? Murder? Rape? Assault? Robbery?

You totally blow past those, for snipping off a piece of skin?


Re: The Catholic Church forbids circumcision for any reason! - Melkite - 02-28-2014

(02-27-2014, 11:51 PM)austenbosten Wrote: Really? Murder? Rape? Assault? Robbery?

You totally blow past those, for snipping off a piece of skin?

Lol, you read real good, dontcha?  Obviously, since murder involves the termination of life itself, it would be a greater violation of the right to life than circumcision.  Assault and robbery, circumcision is definitely a greater violation.  Actually, if you think about it, circumcision is both assault and robbery.  But ordinarily, assault doesn't involve the loss of body parts.  Neither does robbery.  So circumcision is definitely a greater violation of life than these.  Rape, that leaves worse emotional scars, so that's probably worse, but then again, circumcision on an unwilling person is a type of rape.

Lol, robbery?  I can't believe you think you have a greater right to your mercedes than I have to my own body, lol!


Re: The Catholic Church forbids circumcision for any reason! - Gidge - 02-28-2014

(02-27-2014, 04:42 PM)jonbhorton Wrote: http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id438.html
  Thank you for this, I need to break down and get myself a copy of the Haydock Commentary !


(02-27-2014, 08:07 PM)triumphguy Wrote: Ditto Kellogs Cornflakes.

GMO corn --No thanks !


(02-27-2014, 08:16 PM)Cetil Wrote: Thank you for a memorable moment of sanity. Quoting fragments of Magisterial documents is very much akin to what the fundamentalists do with Scripture.
  Amen, brother !


Re: The Catholic Church forbids circumcision for any reason! - austenbosten - 02-28-2014

(02-28-2014, 12:00 AM)Melkite Wrote:
(02-27-2014, 11:51 PM)austenbosten Wrote: Really? Murder? Rape? Assault? Robbery?

You totally blow past those, for snipping off a piece of skin?

Lol, you read real good, dontcha?  Obviously, since murder involves the termination of life itself, it would be a greater violation of the right to life than circumcision.  Assault and robbery, circumcision is definitely a greater violation.  Actually, if you think about it, circumcision is both assault and robbery.  But ordinarily, assault doesn't involve the loss of body parts.  Neither does robbery.  So circumcision is definitely a greater violation of life than these.  Rape, that leaves worse emotional scars, so that's probably worse, but then again, circumcision on an unwilling person is a type of rape.

Lol, robbery?  I can't believe you think you have a greater right to your mercedes than I have to my own body, lol!

Where did you get mercedes? I don't even drive a mercedes. I'm too poor to look at one.

I meant robbery in the sense of stealing somebody's meal for the day, that would actually affect them gravely. Not GTA.


Re: The Catholic Church forbids circumcision for any reason! - Chestertonian - 02-28-2014

(02-28-2014, 12:00 AM)Melkite Wrote: Rape, that leaves worse emotional scars, so that's probably worse, but then again, circumcision on an unwilling person is a type of rape.


I can't even.




Re: The Catholic Church forbids circumcision for any reason! - Melkite - 02-28-2014

(02-28-2014, 12:11 AM)austenbosten Wrote: Where did you get mercedes? I don't even drive a mercedes. I'm too poor to look at one.

I meant robbery in the sense of stealing somebody's meal for the day, that would actually affect them gravely. Not GTA.

I just used it as an example.  My point was your right to life gives you a right to the body you were born with.  It does not include a right to possessions.  So any kind of robbery, because it hits at something you own, not you directly, can never be as serious an offense to your right to life as an unnecessary amputation is.  Even if the effects of the robbery were greater than the effects of the amputation.  Although, I'd argue that if you think the effects of circumcision are not grave, it is only because you are ignorant of what those effects are and you view the dysfunction caused by them as normal because it is all you know.  A color-blind person would never think there was anything wrong with his vision if no one ever told him there was such a thing as color.


Re: The Catholic Church forbids circumcision for any reason! - Melkite - 02-28-2014

(02-28-2014, 12:14 AM)Chestertonian Wrote:
(02-28-2014, 12:00 AM)Melkite Wrote: Rape, that leaves worse emotional scars, so that's probably worse, but then again, circumcision on an unwilling person is a type of rape.


I can't even.

You're held down forcibly while someone permanently cuts off a part of your body.

Yeah, that's rape.