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Head of CDF warns of a split as big as the Reformation - VoxClamantis - 09-07-2015


From cathcon.blogspot.co.uk:



Thursday, September 03, 2015
Head of CDF, Cardinal Müller warns of a split as big as the Reformation



The Prefect of the CDF, Cardinal Gerhard Müller, has criticized in Regensburg on Tuesday a "climate of the German claim to leadership for the whole universal Church". At a book presentation, he pointed out the high number of people leaving the church, the deserted confessionals and empty seminars and religious houses in Germany. Often he has been asked from where the establishment of the so-called "German Church" derives the claim to be pacemaker for the universal Church with all the symptoms of a dramatic decline precisely on questions of sexual morality and the Catholic teaching on marriage. Müller warned against drawing from the situation in Europe conclusions about the future of other continents. "We should not promise others so that is also occurs with them as it is with us – so that the de-Christianization would be an unstoppable natural process. No. With faith you can move mountains."

Only a "sustainable new evangelization with all sincerity and apostolic zeal" could counteract the insipid state of Christianity in Germany, said the prefect. Despite talk of dialogue, "an ideological tension" is not to be overlooked. At the expense of the truth and the unity of the Church, a change of practice should be imposed leastways.

Reviewing the Family Synod, he criticized the fixing of the debate on controversial issues. It was "Problem-blind" when the admission of the civilly married, who still lived in a valid marriage Church marriage, to Holy Communion and the recognition of homosexual relations "were declared central themes of a pastoral ministry of the future".

The cardinal said: "By all means, it is attempted- exegetical, historical, history of dogma studies and with reference to psychology and sociology- to deconstruct the Catholic teaching on marriage, which arises from the teaching of Jesus, and put it into perspective, only so that the Church appears compliant with society. Whoever is faithful to the teachings of the Church, will be combated in the press and even more vilified as an opponent of the Pope, as if it were not the case that the Pope and all the bishops in communion with him would be witnessed of revealed truth, which was transferred to them for faithful administration, so they are not lowered by human beings to human proportions."

Cardinal Müller warned emphatically of a split: With regard to the separation of religious doctrine and religious practice, one should "be very vigilant and not forget the lesson of Church history." In Germany in the fateful year of 1517, the sale of indulgences became the occasion of the Protestant Reformation and the unwanted cleavage of Western Christendom. Overlooking the indulgence controversy, he explained, it was not the doctrine of Johann Tetzel on the inheritance of temporal punishment due to sin that was wrong, but "failure to comply with it in practice, and the awakening of a false note". The prefect demanded forcibly honesty in proclamation: The teachers of the faith should not be lulled into a false assuredness of salvation just in order to provoke no offense. "We must not be fooled when it comes to the sacramental nature of marriage, its indissolubility, its openness to the generation of children, and the fundamental complementarity of the two sexes. Pastoral care must have in view eternal salvation. "

The Prefect also rejected notions of a new understanding of revelation in the sense of a "reality of life". In the sense of faith, the people of God experience not a new revelation but in one in which the once and for all enacted salvation-revelation of God is fully preserved in Jesus Christ and orientated to the people of today and tomorrow. The cardinal stated: "It's not about adapting the revelation of the world, but to win the world for God."




Re: Head of CDF warns of a split as big as the Reformation - In His Love - 09-07-2015

This is sad, but at the same time, not very surprising. Jesus' question to His disciples about whether He would find faith on earth at His return indicates this type of falling away as inevitable.


Re: Head of CDF warns of a split as big as the Reformation - GangGreen - 09-07-2015

I am curious as to how such a split would occur. I'd wager one side would be the liberal Church and another the traditional Church. Would there be two popes? Would one side bring Benedict XVI out of retirement? Who would get the buildings and clergy? Would each priest just pick a side? Scary times indeed.


Re: Head of CDF warns of a split as big as the Reformation - Renatus Frater - 09-07-2015

I'm a bit skeptical about a split in the Church. I mean, does the Vatican (specially under this pope) has the guts to confront the Germans? If the Synod doesn't go the German way they will say whatever they want anyway, some poor priest at some commission of the Vatican will issue some anodyne statement, the German rebellion will become universal practice and that's it.
I really, really doubt Francis will excommunicate anyone (and the CDF, after the pagan nuns shenanigans, has almost no authority). At worst a bishop or two will lose his job (because that's what it is for them, a job, like being a cashier or something).




Re: Head of CDF warns of a split as big as the Reformation - PrairieMom - 09-07-2015

(09-07-2015, 10:08 AM)GangGreen Wrote: I am curious as to how such a split would occur. I'd wager one side would be the liberal Church and another the traditional Church. Would there be two popes? Would one side bring Benedict XVI out of retirement? Who would get the buildings and clergy? Would each priest just pick a side? Scary times indeed.

I'm asking a lot of the same questions, but as usual...

(09-07-2015, 12:03 PM)Renatus Frater Wrote: I'm a bit skeptical about a split in the Church. I mean, does the Vatican (specially under this pope) has the guts to confront the Germans? If the Synod doesn't go the German way they will say whatever they want anyway, some poor priest at some commission of the Vatican will issue some anodyne statement, the German rebellion will become universal practice and that's it.
I really, really doubt Francis will excommunicate anyone (and the CDF, after the pagan nuns shenanigans, has almost no authority). At worst a bishop or two will lose his job (because that's what it is for them, a job, like being a cashier or something).

... .RF brings a most reasonable response to the table!


Re: Head of CDF warns of a split as big as the Reformation - maldon - 09-07-2015

I think this is more about a split in belief and practice, not so much about a split in actual hierarchical structure, unless the Church begins, all of a sudden, to enforce discipline as in older days.

Enforcing discipline could bring about a real split, but I do not foresee such enforcement in this pontificate.

That leaves a split in beliefs and practices, but this is absurd, because it already exists and has been going on since VII. If this is what the good cardinal means, well, I wish him well, but he is a few decades behind in his analysis.


Re: Head of CDF warns of a split as big as the Reformation - xandratax - 09-08-2015

(09-07-2015, 10:08 AM)GangGreen Wrote: I am curious as to how such a split would occur. I'd wager one side would be the liberal Church and another the traditional Church. Would there be two popes? Would one side bring Benedict XVI out of retirement? Who would get the buildings and clergy? Would each priest just pick a side? Scary times indeed.


The Palace of the Popes is vacant in Avignon and the SSPX have already successfully occupied some churches so.....Just an idea.  Grin

I think this would be great. The media would go crazy, suddenly everyone would be int rested in the crisis of the Church, wishy-washy people would be forced to take sides and actually think about what's going on. It would be good to have the whole world talking about something besides ISIS and gay marriage. The Church has already gone through these sorts breaks and disputes before, so we know that the won't be the end of her. Maybe that's just what re-birth looks like.


Re: Head of CDF warns of a split as big as the Reformation - salus - 09-08-2015

It all could have been avoided if the Pope's had listened to Our Lady of Fatima  about revealing the Secret (still under suspicion and partly revealed)  in 1960 and Consecrating Russia still not done.