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Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope - VoxClamantis - 09-25-2015


Sigh. From Yahoo:


Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope
Amy SullivanAmy Sullivan
September 24, 2015


A seat for Pope Francis’ address to Congress on Thursday was one of the most sought-after tickets in this town’s history, with each member of Congress allowed to bring along just one guest.

But in the packed House chamber, there were three noticeable vacancies right in the front row. Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas — all conservative Catholics — took a pass on the opportunity to hear from the leader of their church.

It’s possible that all three had scheduling conflicts. Perhaps they were finally able to score tickets to “Hamilton” and decided to make a day of it in the Big Apple. The three have skipped the State of the Union in the past (Scalia calls it “a childish spectacle”), objecting to the partisan nature of that gathering.

More likely, however, the three justices were simply more discreet than Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., who announced to media this week that he was boycotting the pope’s talk over concerns that the pontiff was acting “like a leftist politician.”

The conspicuous absences were a bit surprising, given that the current Supreme Court is sometimes characterized as the “Catholic court.” Six of the nine justices are Catholic — the other three, John Roberts, Anthony Kennedy and Sonia Sotomayor, were in attendance — and the most conservative members of the court have not been shy about identifying with their church.

They have not always agreed with the church, however. Scalia has been particularly candid about his disagreements: In 2002, he bluntly told a Georgetown audience that the church’s opposition to the death penalty was simply wrong. “No authority that I know of denies the 2,000-year-old tradition of the church approving capital punishment,” said Scalia. “I don’t see why there’s been a change.”

Vox Wrote:
Now Francis is "the Church." Nice.

So, it might have been awkward for Scalia and his colleagues when Francis got to the “golden rule” part of his address. It was a nifty maneuver — the pope got the entire audience to stand up when he declared that “the golden rule … reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development.”

But while the pope was undeniably referring, among other things, to the very beginning of life, his next sentence took many in the crowd by surprise. “This conviction has led me,” he continued, “to advocate at different levels for the global abolition of the death penalty. I am convinced that this way is the best, since every life is sacred, every human person is endowed with an inalienable dignity.”

That presumably would have drawn a dissent from Scalia, who earlier this year, in a concurring opinion allowing a controversial lethal injection drug, compared death penalty opponents to Marie Antoinette, writing that they have “a let-them-eat cake obliviousness to the needs of others.”

If the absences were indeed intentional, they would stand in stark contrast to Francis’ repeated message of dialogue over division and warnings against “the simplistic reductionism which sees only good or evil; or, if you will, the righteous and sinners.”




Re: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope - Poche - 09-26-2015

Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope

I think that they made a big mistake in missing out.


Re: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope - J Michael - 09-26-2015

(09-26-2015, 01:46 AM)Poche Wrote: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope

I think that they made a big mistake in missing out.

What, precisely, did they miss out on?  They could watch it on t.v.  They could read a transcript of it afterward.  So......what's to miss?  A lot of pomp and circumstance?  Big crowds and lots of noise?  Being shown on t.v.?  Ohhh.......seeing Francis in person??  Like I said, what's to miss?  Maybe they don't like this pope.  Maybe they don't want to be seen as tacitly approving, by their presence, of whatever ambiguities spill from his tongue in front of Congress.


Re: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope - Zea mays - 09-26-2015

how about the nutball congressman that drank the popes backwash because he thought everything the pope touched was blessed. what a maroon.


Re: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope - J Michael - 09-26-2015

(09-26-2015, 02:22 PM)Zea mays Wrote: how about the nutball congressman that drank the popes backwash because he thought everything the pope touched was blessed. what a maroon.

A maroon ??    :) :)


Re: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope - Renatus Frater - 09-26-2015

To be honest I don't think I'd have gone to this thing. All the hype and all the media  :eyeroll: . Its like world youth journey (or whatever) for politicians.

As an aside, Scalia is quite the modernist himself.


Re: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope - Zea mays - 09-26-2015

(09-26-2015, 04:20 PM)J Michael Wrote:
(09-26-2015, 02:22 PM)Zea mays Wrote: how about the nutball congressman that drank the popes backwash because he thought everything the pope touched was blessed. what a maroon.

A maroon ??    :) :)

Don't tell me you've never watched bugs bunny cartoons.


Re: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope - Poche - 09-27-2015

(09-26-2015, 12:52 PM)J Michael Wrote:
(09-26-2015, 01:46 AM)Poche Wrote: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope

I think that they made a big mistake in missing out.

What, precisely, did they miss out on?  They could watch it on t.v.  They could read a transcript of it afterward.  So......what's to miss?  A lot of pomp and circumstance?  Big crowds and lots of noise?  Being shown on t.v.?  Ohhh.......seeing Francis in person??  Like I said, what's to miss?  Maybe they don't like this pope.  Maybe they don't want to be seen as tacitly approving, by their presence, of whatever ambiguities spill from his tongue in front of Congress.
It would be an opportunity to greet the Holy Father, to show him some respect. 


Re: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope - J Michael - 09-27-2015

(09-26-2015, 10:06 PM)Zea mays Wrote:
(09-26-2015, 04:20 PM)J Michael Wrote:
(09-26-2015, 02:22 PM)Zea mays Wrote: how about the nutball congressman that drank the popes backwash because he thought everything the pope touched was blessed. what a maroon.

A maroon ??    :) :)

Don't tell me you've never watched bugs bunny cartoons.

Hey...I grew up on them!!!  'Splains a lot, don't it?? :grin:


Re: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope - J Michael - 09-27-2015

(09-27-2015, 06:02 AM)Poche Wrote:
(09-26-2015, 12:52 PM)J Michael Wrote:
(09-26-2015, 01:46 AM)Poche Wrote: Catholic Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas are no-shows for the pope

I think that they made a big mistake in missing out.

What, precisely, did they miss out on?  They could watch it on t.v.  They could read a transcript of it afterward.  So......what's to miss?  A lot of pomp and circumstance?  Big crowds and lots of noise?  Being shown on t.v.?  Ohhh.......seeing Francis in person??  Like I said, what's to miss?  Maybe they don't like this pope.  Maybe they don't want to be seen as tacitly approving, by their presence, of whatever ambiguities spill from his tongue in front of Congress.
It would be an opportunity to greet the Holy Father, to show him some respect.

Maybe they weren't interested, in which case, they haven't missed out, have they?  Now, if they *were* interested and didn't show, then perhaps it might have been, in your words, a "mistake" and they might've missed out.  But, since we don't know why they didn't show up, any commentary from us about it is nothing but idle speculation.