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Re: Martin Luther was a ‘teacher of the faith’, say German bishops - formerbuddhist - 08-15-2016

(08-15-2016, 09:15 AM)SaintSebastian Wrote: Yeah, these things don't help Catholic identity--I think even your average low info Catholic doesn't think honoring Luther is a good idea.  And the Catholic clergy aren't the only ones caught up in this: the EOs are also celebrating the Reformation with the Protestants.

https://www.lutheranworld.org/news/lutheran-orthodox-commission-celebrate-reformation-anniversary

The Greeks have been a mixed bag for centuries. They engaged in selling a form of indulgences, and from the Orthodox perspective their officials sold out at the Council of Florence. They were also instrumental in the whole calendar issue that has racked the Orthodox world since the 1920's. The bottom line is for the most part the leaders of the major churches be they Roman or Greek have a long history of being less than faithful. That the EP is going for this is no surprise.

What can we all do? World Christianity is a mess, especially at the level of the hierarchies. They are mostly faithless toothless bureaucrats. I hate to be so blunt but that's how I see it. Its sad but it's probably always the way it's been. The serious and devout are always few and far between. Just think about it, how many truly holy bishops have their been? We know plenty from the lives of saints but the bulk of the bishops throughout history were probably not all that great.

We can hold to our Faith in spite of the seeming faithlessness of the hierarchy. What other options are on the table other than walking away altogether, something I know I'm not willing to do.




Re: Martin Luther was a ‘teacher of the faith’, say German bishops - aquinas138 - 08-15-2016

(08-15-2016, 08:44 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: What can we all do? World Christianity is a mess, especially at the level of the hierarchies. They are mostly faithless toothless bureaucrats. I hate to be so blunt but that's how I see it. Its sad but it's probably always the way it's been. The serious and devout are always few and far between. Just think about it, how many truly holy bishops have their been? We know plenty from the lives of saints but the bulk of the bishops throughout history were probably not all that great.

All of this is without question true. Read the canons of the first millennium councils, ecumenical and local, and really notice how many of them are concerned with the malfeasance of bishops. It's probably 80% of them. The situation hardly changes in the second millennium - heretic bishops, simoniac bishops, absentee bishops, bishops usurping the property of their priests, bishops encroaching on the rights of other bishops, bishops with concubines, bishops with children, bishops who like a bit too much wine, bishops without faith, bishops who don't know the Bible, etc. It's honestly remarkable that we ever expect different!


Re: Martin Luther was a ‘teacher of the faith’, say German bishops - TradCathYouth - 08-16-2016

Luther did have something to teach- what NOT to do, especially what he did do. So, taking Luther as the example of spiritual misfortune, do not ever:
-interpret the Bible outside the teachings of the Church
-take out books from the Bible to suit your views
-drag millions of souls to perdition with you by teaching them heresy
-take advantage of the ignorance of people in order to convince them that heresy is the truth