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Question about Opus Dei - LaudeturIesus - 06-01-2017

I keep hearing about Opus Dei. Why exactly is it controversial? I hear people saying it's a weird conservative group one minute, the next minute that it's modernist. A friend recently gave me the In Conversation with God series written by St. Josemaría Escrivá.


Re: Question about Opus Dei - GoodKingWenceslas - 06-01-2017

(06-01-2017, 08:22 PM)LaudeturIesus Wrote: I keep hearing about Opus Dei. Why exactly is it controversial? I hear people saying it's a weird conservative group one minute, the next minute that it's modernist. A friend recently gave me the In Conversation with God series written by St. Josemaría Escrivá.
I've heard it explained this way by somebody who I know and trust as orthodox: that they are sort of cultish. They will befriend people with the sole aim of having them join Opus Dei, and if they don't join, the people who befriend them will just stop talking to them. Obviously this does not mean all members, but that there is such a "vibe."
I personally like the devotions they have, at least what wikipedia says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei#Prayers


Re: Question about Opus Dei - Mark Williams - 06-01-2017

I do not know, but I do not like their logo.

[Image: OD_Cross.gif]


Re: Question about Opus Dei - In His Love - 06-02-2017

Call me naive, but what's wrong with their logo? It's a cross inside of a circle.


Re: Question about Opus Dei - Mark Williams - 06-02-2017

(06-02-2017, 12:13 AM)In His Love Wrote: Call me naive, but what's wrong with their logo? It's a cross inside of a circle.

It is too...simple, I think. Modern-looking, you know?



Re: Question about Opus Dei - austenbosten - 06-02-2017

(06-02-2017, 01:32 PM)Mark Williams Wrote:
(06-02-2017, 12:13 AM)In His Love Wrote: Call me naive, but what's wrong with their logo? It's a cross inside of a circle.

It is too...simple, I think. Modern-looking, you know?

It looks Episcopalian to me, in fact I thought it was at first.




Re: Question about Opus Dei - In His Love - 06-02-2017

(06-02-2017, 05:16 PM)austenbosten Wrote:
(06-02-2017, 01:32 PM)Mark Williams Wrote:
(06-02-2017, 12:13 AM)In His Love Wrote: Call me naive, but what's wrong with their logo? It's a cross inside of a circle.

It is too...simple, I think. Modern-looking, you know?

It looks Episcopalian to me, in fact I thought it was at first.
I see what you guys mean now. Here's an Episcopalian logo I found:

[Image: page24_picture0_slide_2.jpg]


Re: Question about Opus Dei - LaudeturIesus - 06-02-2017

(06-01-2017, 10:35 PM)GoodKingWenceslas Wrote:
(06-01-2017, 08:22 PM)LaudeturIesus Wrote: I keep hearing about Opus Dei. Why exactly is it controversial? I hear people saying it's a weird conservative group one minute, the next minute that it's modernist. A friend recently gave me the In Conversation with God series written by St. Josemaría Escrivá.
I've heard it explained this way by somebody who I know and trust as orthodox: that they are sort of cultish. They will befriend people with the sole aim of having them join Opus Dei, and if they don't join, the people who befriend them will just stop talking to them. Obviously this does not mean all members, but that there is such a "vibe."
I personally like the devotions they have, at least what wikipedia says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei#Prayers

Ok, makes sense.


Re: Question about Opus Dei - thomas7 - 06-03-2017

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/engel/170419


Re: Question about Opus Dei - Sixtus - 06-03-2017

Opus Dei was created with the goal of sanctification of life, thus they have a strong work ethic and would offer opportunities and formation to their members.
For this reason it was often called a white masonry or a mafia, at the same time cultish.
As far as I know (the in laws of my confirmation godfather are in the Opus) they are really not that closed with outsiders although they are very disciplined.

Most of the terrible things used against the Opus were made by jesuits and freemasons. The Opus is strongly anti-masonic and, inside the Church, anti-jesuit.
Even though the Opus is not, strictly speaking, a traditionalist group they are conservative; its founder greatly admired the old jesuits, just as much as he dislike the modern jesuits.
Inside the Opus, jesuits are called "the usual suspects" of every modern weird thing that happen in the Church.

In short they offer formation, guidance and a path in life and work for people who want to follow a life of sanctification whitout a religious vocation. And they fight the correct enemies.
Their rise of power mostly happened in Spain when they helped Franco during the civil war and later received many benefits during his rule.
Then they were greatly protected by Pope John Paul II, they have a strong influence in finance and helped him to support polish movements against communism.