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RE: Putting Pope Francis into Perspective - jovan66102 - 01-30-2018

(01-30-2018, 12:09 PM)Zedta Wrote:
(01-30-2018, 10:37 AM)VoiceInTheWilderness Wrote: Your pathetic, petty, and disrespectful attitude towards the Vicar of Christ on earth speaks far more about you, than about the Holy Father, our beloved Pope Francis.

Thank you. I remain Pathetic and petty! But Frank is not the true "Vicar of Christ on Earth", so I can be disrespectful as much as I wish with impunity and with a sense of necessity.
So let me get this straight. You are 1) sedevacantist, 2) someone who believes that Benedict is still Pope despite Canon Law, or 3) a non-Catholic, and you're upset that someone has pointed out Francis' heterodox teachings?


RE: Putting Pope Francis into Perspective - Zedta - 01-30-2018

(01-30-2018, 12:19 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(01-30-2018, 12:09 PM)Zedta Wrote:
(01-30-2018, 10:37 AM)VoiceInTheWilderness Wrote: Your pathetic, petty, and disrespectful attitude towards the Vicar of Christ on earth speaks far more about you, than about the Holy Father, our beloved Pope Francis.

Thank you. I remain Pathetic and petty! But Frank is not the true "Vicar of Christ on Earth", so I can be disrespectful as much as I wish with impunity and with a sense of necessity.
So let me get this straight. You are 1) sedevacantist, 2) someone who believes that Benedict is still Pope despite Canon Law, or 3) a non-Catholic, and you're upset that someone has pointed out Francis' heterodox teachings?

First off, I abhor the use of labels and only revert to the use to answer your question. If a label should be applied to me, than make it Traditional Catholic.

1-2) I suppose I am a type of 'sedevacanist', but the position is not vacant (Benedict XVI is still alive and still wears the Papal White), but was usurped by demonically inspired, globalist forces to bring in Frank and not that the see has been vacant since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958, although the idea is not out of the realm of possibility.

3) I am not 'non-catholic', but hold to the Traditionalist pre-vatican II Cannon and Catechism that I was taught in grade school and high school and brought up in. Vatican II was hijacked by those same demonically inspired forces that have lead us so far away from the truth and brought so much of the questions that have lead us away, as a Church, from what God had led us to. It will ultimately be seen as a time of learning and of purging and Frank may well be an instrument of putting a light on the instigators and and aid in the eventual expunging of these perpetrators and the return to the true faith.

For that I fervently pray!


RE: Putting Pope Francis into Perspective - jovan66102 - 01-30-2018

Z, I was referring to the poster who attacked you. Unfortunately, whilst I agree that satanic forces were behind Francis' election, the fact is that Benedict resigned canonically, and Francis was validly elected. God is punishing us.


RE: Putting Pope Francis into Perspective - Eric F - 01-30-2018

In addition, that I can remember off hand. The acting Pope concelebrated with Michele De Paolis, who approves of homosexual relations. Reinstated suspended unrepented Communist Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann to the priesthood. Stated that Communists (the greatest mass murderers in the history of the World) are closet Christians. Said he was not offended by the Communist Crucifix he was given by the Leftist President of Bolivia. Has admitted his mentor as a young man in Argentina was a Communist. Has accused young people who prefer the TLM of being rigid. And I'm sure there's alot of already forgotten.


RE: Putting Pope Francis into Perspective - Zedta - 01-30-2018

(01-30-2018, 12:45 PM)jovan66102 Wrote: Z, I was referring to the poster who attacked you. Unfortunately, whilst I agree that satanic forces were behind Francis' election, the fact is that Benedict resigned canonically, and Francis was validly elected. God is punishing us.

Noted. But I must disagree about the Canonical resignation. I believe he was forced out and that globalists were at the center of this, so that an 'unknown' could come into position to stir up the active trait of the Masonic Globalist: Chaos. Who better than a proponent of South American Jesuit concocted Liberation Theology, like Frank?

Frank's election was invalid due to the coercion surrounding the illicit 'resignation. Benedict wears white in quiet rebellion, being to ill to fight. Yes, indeed, God is punishing, especially, those of us who are complacent!


RE: Putting Pope Francis into Perspective - VoiceInTheWilderness - 01-30-2018

(01-30-2018, 12:19 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(01-30-2018, 12:09 PM)Zedta Wrote:
(01-30-2018, 10:37 AM)VoiceInTheWilderness Wrote: Your pathetic, petty, and disrespectful attitude towards the Vicar of Christ on earth speaks far more about you, than about the Holy Father, our beloved Pope Francis.

Thank you. I remain Pathetic and petty! But Frank is not the true "Vicar of Christ on Earth", so I can be disrespectful as much as I wish with impunity and with a sense of necessity.
So let me get this straight. You are 1) sedevacantist, 2) someone who believes that Benedict is still Pope despite Canon Law, or 3) a non-Catholic, and you're upset that someone has pointed out Francis' heterodox teachings?
So Zedta if Pope Francis is not the "Vicar of Christ on Earth" who do you say is?  Perhaps Zedta??


RE: Putting Pope Francis into Perspective - Zedta - 01-30-2018

(01-30-2018, 03:24 PM)VoiceInTheWilderness Wrote:
(01-30-2018, 12:19 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(01-30-2018, 12:09 PM)Zedta Wrote:
(01-30-2018, 10:37 AM)VoiceInTheWilderness Wrote: Your pathetic, petty, and disrespectful attitude towards the Vicar of Christ on earth speaks far more about you, than about the Holy Father, our beloved Pope Francis.

Thank you. I remain Pathetic and petty! But Frank is not the true "Vicar of Christ on Earth", so I can be disrespectful as much as I wish with impunity and with a sense of necessity.
So let me get this straight. You are 1) sedevacantist, 2) someone who believes that Benedict is still Pope despite Canon Law, or 3) a non-Catholic, and you're upset that someone has pointed out Francis' heterodox teachings?
So Zedta if Pope Francis is not the "Vicar of Christ on Earth" who do you say is?  Perhaps Zedta??

Perhaps your 'pithiness' is a result of an innate inability to thoroughly read the writings of them that you accuse. I have stated, maybe thrice on this thread and now for perhaps a fourth time, whom I believe is the true "Vicar of Christ on Earth": Pope Benedict XVI, the last 'validly' elected Pope, IMHO. Your intimation that I may be is cockamamie.


RE: Putting Pope Francis into Perspective - formerbuddhist - 01-30-2018

Some of the stuff he says and does are sickening.  I have pretty much completely stopped attending church at all but keep up the Office. I cannot in good faith put myself in communion with Francis. While I love much of the western patrimony i must love it apart from the Roman Church.  Honestly I fail to see how trads or even eccentrics like me are doing anything more than tilting at windmills at times!

I keep to the Office and the Jesus Prayer because I love them, but I must love them as an outsider.  Quite frankly I'm ashamed of the Roman Church, what it's become, and I've got no defense for it.  I cannot defend what it's become.  it's beyond just a bad pope, it's a papally led assault on the Traditions that have only reached their apex with Francis. The papacy will forever remain THE Achilles Heel of the RCC as far as I'm concerned.


RE: Putting Pope Francis into Perspective - Florus - 01-30-2018

Zedta, what do you hope to accomplish by exposing as many faults as you can of Francis? How does this build up the body of Christ?

No wonder traditionalists are a minority when we spend so much energy denigrating the authorities of the Church, it makes us look vicious and incoherent, desperately trying to conform everything to our a-priori assumptions.


RE: Putting Pope Francis into Perspective - Zedta - 01-30-2018

(01-30-2018, 03:47 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: Some of the stuff he says and does are sickening.  I have pretty much completely stopped attending church at all but keep up the Office. I cannot in good faith put myself in communion with Francis. While I love much of the western patrimony i must love it apart from the Roman Church.  Honestly I fail to see how trads or even eccentrics like me are doing anything more than tilting at windmills at times!

I keep to the Office and the Jesus Prayer because I love them, but I must love them as an outsider.  Quite frankly I'm ashamed of the Roman Church, what it's become, and I've got no defense for it.  I cannot defend what it's become.  it's beyond just a bad pope, it's a papally led assault on the Traditions that have only reached their apex with Francis. The papacy will forever remain THE Achilles Heel of the RCC as far as I'm concerned.

Lets not forget, that we are indeed in the end times and that the Church must suffer much as Christ did, and so, as in the time of Christ's last sufferings, the Church will appear strikingly similar. At His death, He was mangled to appear unlike He had before the torments; He was bloodied, broken and in agony as He neared His death on that cross. Only a few women and one Disciple were at the foot of that cross. All of His 'loyal' followers had fled and denied Him.

How like this situation of Christ's last moments, do we see similarities in the condition of His Church today? How many are fleeing from His Church? In so doing, do they not remove their voices of resistance to the nefarious changes that are taking place? Does that not give these forces more ease in effecting their changes? Does one run from the face of the ill and injured because they look so disfigured, or do we ignore their disfigurement and step in to treat their disease, to cover their wounds and clean up the blood and gore they have experienced and help them back to health?

Bare in mind that ALL of the Apostles that fled from Christ's Cross, died martyrs deaths.

I prefer to stand strong in the Traditions we have been taught, as Paul said in Thessalonians. These are the things to 'hold fast' to.