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Let laity lead parishes, priests' resolution urges US bishops - Zedta - 02-08-2018 Interesting article that points out a very disturbing trend that at the face of it, appears to be dealt with in a thoughtful manner, but I fear, with time, we will be going down a slippery slope that will lead to the weakening of the Catholic aspect of our Dear Church...an erosion of our Traditions which will make us more protestant-like in the end. Lets hope and pray that this tenet is maintained in all of this, as the article points out: Quote:The resolution urged that bishops employ lay workers, deacons and religious who are currently in pastoral ministry to lead parishes under the direction of ordained pastors, a framework allowed in canon law. [emphasis mine] So, here it is,the promotion of the lay ministers... Quote:Link to Original Article RE: Let laity lead parishes, priests' resolution urges US bishops - austenbosten - 02-08-2018 It's enough to make one a Sedevacantist. RE: Let laity lead parishes, priests' resolution urges US bishops - Credidi Propter - 02-08-2018 We used to have those in my diocese. I will never forget how proud the sister looked when she was asked to preach at Mass. She was a repulsive woman. The lay leaders were aging women who had no idea how to draw people into the Church other than those who shared their limited, temporal view of the Church. They talked about dialogue, but knew nothing about it. They would accompany death row inmates to their executions, but do nothing to give them the True Faith, that could have prevented them from heading down the wrong path in the firstborn place. They thought they were too good for teaching, so they became social workers to care for those who wandered down the wrong path in part due to lack of role models in their childhood. RE: Let laity lead parishes, priests' resolution urges US bishops - Zedta - 02-08-2018 (02-08-2018, 09:46 PM)Credidi Propter Wrote: We used to have those in my diocese. I will never forget how proud the sister looked when she was asked to preach at Mass. She was a repulsive woman. The lay leaders were aging women who had no idea how to draw people into the Church other than those who shared their limited, temporal view of the Church. They talked about dialogue, but knew nothing about it. They would accompany death row inmates to their executions, but do nothing to give them the True Faith, that could have prevented them from heading down the wrong path in the firstborn place. They thought they were too good for teaching, so they became social workers to care for those who wandered down the wrong path in part due to lack of role models in their childhood. Interesting. Quote:They talked about dialogue, but knew nothing about it. They would accompany death row inmates to their executions, but do nothing to give them the True Faith,... This is the focus of the fallacy that is the lay minister: When you need a priest, like when you are facing death and really need a Confessor, you only have someone that can only offer placebos. I too, have often noted, that for what ever reason, maybe because they are spitful of not being able to be priests, that there are so many women stepping into this and often with huge grudges on their shoulders. I see a trend in the Church that is shocking to me, that St. Paul warned about: " 34 And women are to be silent in the churches; utterance is not permitted to them; let them keep their rank, as the law tells them: 35 if they have any question to raise, let them ask their husbands at home. That a woman should make her voice heard in the church is not seemly." 1 Cor 14: 34-35. and "8 It is my wish that prayer should everywhere be offered by the men; they are to lift up hands that are sanctified, free from all anger and dispute.[3] 9 So, too, with the women; they are to dress themselves modestly and with restraint in befitting attire; no plaited hair, no gold ornaments, or pearls, or rich clothes; 10 a virtuous life is the best adornment for women who lay claim to piety. 11 Women are to keep silence, and take their place, with all submissiveness, as learners; 12 a woman shall have no leave from me to teach, and issue commands to her husband; her part is to be silent." 1Tim 4:8-11. In many instances, I find women get into a ministry and before long they 'own' it and will have no quarter. I have even seen KofC Lodges taken over with the Columbiettes getting involved. I am a lay minister, but I know my limitations and they are many. I will call in an Ordained Minister at the least provocation. I can pray with you, but you need an anointed one to pray over you. I fear there will be less of that, as an a priori, with this new wave of lay ministers that the article discusses. . RE: Let laity lead parishes, priests' resolution urges US bishops - MyCupOverFlows - 02-08-2018 Interesting article. Women definitely have their place. I do not even receive the Eucharist from anyone but the Priest. A lot has changed in a very short time. I find that many priest are very wishy-washy. For instance at my children's school, the women run everything. The female principal runs everything and many of the teachers are liberal. I could tell you some crazy stories concerning my encounters and butting of heads with some there. I feel like the Priest is sleeping. My husband gets turned off too- with many of the things that are happening. Example: My family does not celebrate Halloween or the day of the dead a Hispanic pagan ritual and the school allows this, my family is an oddity, I am told by the principal . One little boy in my youngest child's class dresses in girls clothes and paints his nails. At open house they had pictures up on the wall and he was dressed like a princess for Halloween and was wearing makeup. My daughter is taught one way in the faith then goes to school, which is Catholic and is left scratching her head. The priest there is young and honestly a bit feminine. When you bring up concerns, they are brushed off. There is only one Catholic school in my tri-state area that does not celebrate Halloween, and the Priest insist on the traditional Catholic mass. He is old now and has gotten stern warnings from the local Bishop. The Priest at my children's school lets laity get involved in everything. I also remember my husband was taken-a -back when the Priest who married us was promoting Islam and when my husband told him Christ is the way , the truth and the life, there is no other way to the Father except through Him, he stopped talking to my husband. I guess my point is..... this laity thing is not surprising, interesting but not surprising. Thank you for sharing this, and God Bless! RE: Let laity lead parishes, priests' resolution urges US bishops - Zedta - 02-09-2018 (02-08-2018, 11:57 PM)MyCupOverFlows Wrote: Interesting article. Women definitely have their place. I do not even receive the Eucharist from anyone but the Priest. A lot has changed in a very short time. I find that many priest are very wishy-washy. For instance at my children's school, the women run everything. The female principal runs everything and many of the teachers are liberal. I could tell you some crazy stories concerning my encounters and butting of heads with some there. I feel like the Priest is sleeping. My husband gets turned off too- with many of the things that are happening.My heart sincerely bleeds for you! I am a dinosaur and was in a 'Traditional' Catholic High School when Vatican II ended and the abuses began. My world went into a kind of vortex and my faith came under spiritual attack on all sides. The Nuns that taught us became something we didn't recognize, suddenly, one day, they came in without their habits and dressed in common fashion, poorly coordinated and with rather awful cosmetic choices as well...then the bad stuff started. I see how you find yourself in such a conundrum as I was in. My only advise is to stand your ground. The souls of your children and you and your husband are at stake. You answer to only one person, Jesus, the Christ! In Him you will not fail, even though you may feel on the short end. That feeling comes from the enemy and he only deals that out when he is most desperate and you are most in the groove of True Faith in Him. Remember; Peter walked on water, but only sank in the waters when he took his eyes off Jesus and doubted. Get in the habit of praying the The Rosary of the Seven Sorrows . Try to do so daily, perhaps as I do, when driving. It won't take long to get it down and the benefits of this prayer are amazing! I got my son to get in the habit and it has helped his situation with the Novis Ordo parish and school immensely. I will pray for you and your family. May Blessed Mary, Mother of Jesus, wrap you and your family in Her Veil of Motherly Protection! RE: Let laity lead parishes, priests' resolution urges US bishops - jovan66102 - 02-09-2018 Not in the Diocese of Lincoln! Except for an occasional female reader who sits off to the side, we have an all male Sanctuary, no acolettes and no blue haired EMHCs! Of course, the only EMHCs we have at all are Instituted Acolytes if they are needed. RE: Let laity lead parishes, priests' resolution urges US bishops - MyCupOverFlows - 02-09-2018 (02-09-2018, 01:14 AM)Zedta Wrote:(02-08-2018, 11:57 PM)MyCupOverFlows Wrote: Interesting article. Women definitely have their place. I do not even receive the Eucharist from anyone but the Priest. A lot has changed in a very short time. I find that many priest are very wishy-washy. For instance at my children's school, the women run everything. The female principal runs everything and many of the teachers are liberal. I could tell you some crazy stories concerning my encounters and butting of heads with some there. I feel like the Priest is sleeping. My husband gets turned off too- with many of the things that are happening.My heart sincerely bleeds for you! I am a dinosaur and was in a 'Traditional' Catholic High School when Vatican II ended and the abuses began. My world went into a kind of vortex and my faith came under spiritual attack on all sides. The Nuns that taught us became something we didn't recognize, suddenly, one day, they came in without their habits and dressed in common fashion, poorly coordinated and with rather awful cosmetic choices as well...then the bad stuff started. RE: Let laity lead parishes, priests' resolution urges US bishops - SaintSebastian - 02-09-2018 Take away the liturgical stuff that blurrs the line between priests and lay people and there is some merit to this. Let others handle the nitty-gritty operational and administrative stuff (and even things like distributing collected goods for charity) so bishops and priests can focus on the more direct cura animarum. Ideally, the role would be carried out by deacons--it's why the Apostles originally instituted them (See Acts 6:1-4). In prior periods, the role of deacons was to deal with all the administrative and operational stuff so that bishops and priests could focus on the spiritual and the "ministry of the word" as the Apostles put it. Of course, deacons then became a little too powerful (since they controlled all the property, etc.) and bishops ultimately took more direct responsibility for those back over. Of course, as Fr. Simon notes in his History of the Hootenanny Mass, the craziness of the 1960s and 70s happened in part because many bishops were great real estate managers, but had less skill in the more spiritual areas. In general, I think it's good to free up time for bishops and priests to pray, preach, and sanctify more. RE: Let laity lead parishes, priests' resolution urges US bishops - MyCupOverFlows - 02-09-2018 (02-09-2018, 10:39 AM)SaintSebastian Wrote: Take away the liturgical stuff that blurrs the line between priests and lay people and there is some merit to this. Let others handle the nitty-gritty operational and administrative stuff (and even things like distributing collected goods for charity) so bishops and priests can focus on the more direct cura animarum. Ideally, the role would be carried out by deacons--it's why the Apostles originally instituted them (See Acts 6:1-4). |