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What should I do? - SeekerofChrist - 04-18-2018

I do not live close enough to a TLM.  Well, not close enough to get there every Sunday, though maybe once a month might be doable, as I have finally gotten my own car.  What makes for a reverent NO Mass?  I know that might sound strange but I usually hear pieces of advice like "find a reverent NO Mass" but no one really says what "reverent" means and how I might spot one.  I know some obvious things, like a priest wearing a clown suit but I'd imagine irreverence can be far more subtle, harder for someone like me (who remains very new to Tradition) to spot.  Any advice is appreciated.


RE: What should I do? - Credidi Propter - 04-19-2018

Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.


RE: What should I do? - angeltime - 04-19-2018

(04-18-2018, 10:52 PM)SeekerofChrist Wrote: I do not live close enough to a TLM.  Well, not close enough to get there every Sunday, though maybe once a month might be doable, as I have finally gotten my own car.  What makes for a reverent NO Mass?  I know that might sound strange but I usually hear pieces of advice like "find a reverent NO Mass" but no one really says what "reverent" means and how I might spot one.  I know some obvious things, like a priest wearing a clown suit but I'd imagine irreverence can be far more subtle, harder for someone like me (who remains very new to Tradition) to spot.  Any advice is appreciated.
Peace....sometimes one can see/hear  irreverant things around us at the NO Mass and still be reverent ourself, however if you are taking children, they may pick up these habits.  For me, I was bothered by the low-cut tops on women with shorts taking communion out of the tabernacle to take to a home visit.  There was also too much joking and fooling around from the pulpit - too much like entertainment and comedy night.  I noticed people (not all) receiving communion and chewing it like bubble gum.  Drinking bottled water in the pews - which I can understand if someone is choking, but it became habitual and started spreading.  I noticed one girl once, after Mass was over and people left, to be sitting on the back portion of the pew with her feet on the seat - her mother was the guitar player, so nobody would say anything.  Too much talking out loud even when it is obvious before or after Mass that people are praying or adoring Jesus.  People being called up at smaller gatherings to help themselves take communion left on the altar while the priest is sitting in his seat.  Somehow, protestant hymns were slowly getting into the music ministry.  For some people, this type of thing can happen once and seem not so bad, however others see it increasing in several ways and start getting very annoyed.  This, along with the history and current events of the day in our Universal Church/Liturgy, bring it to a head and they want out.  This is brief, but you will get the point.  God bless, angeltime :heart:


RE: What should I do? - SeekerofChrist - 04-19-2018

(04-19-2018, 02:12 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.

That does seem like a good idea.  I'd imagine that there is a Tridentine Vespers and an NO Vespers, or something Vatican II-esque.  Any thoughts on that?

(04-19-2018, 03:05 AM)angeltime Wrote:
(04-18-2018, 10:52 PM)SeekerofChrist Wrote: I do not live close enough to a TLM.  Well, not close enough to get there every Sunday, though maybe once a month might be doable, as I have finally gotten my own car.  What makes for a reverent NO Mass?  I know that might sound strange but I usually hear pieces of advice like "find a reverent NO Mass" but no one really says what "reverent" means and how I might spot one.  I know some obvious things, like a priest wearing a clown suit but I'd imagine irreverence can be far more subtle, harder for someone like me (who remains very new to Tradition) to spot.  Any advice is appreciated.
Peace....sometimes one can see/hear  irreverant things around us at the NO Mass and still be reverent ourself, however if you are taking children, they may pick up these habits.  For me, I was bothered by the low-cut tops on women with shorts taking communion out of the tabernacle to take to a home visit.  There was also too much joking and fooling around from the pulpit - too much like entertainment and comedy night.  I noticed people (not all) receiving communion and chewing it like bubble gum.  Drinking bottled water in the pews - which I can understand if someone is choking, but it became habitual and started spreading.  I noticed one girl once, after Mass was over and people left, to be sitting on the back portion of the pew with her feet on the seat - her mother was the guitar player, so nobody would say anything.  Too much talking out loud even when it is obvious before or after Mass that people are praying or adoring Jesus.  People being called up at smaller gatherings to help themselves take communion left on the altar while the priest is sitting in his seat.  Somehow, protestant hymns were slowly getting into the music ministry.  For some people, this type of thing can happen once and seem not so bad, however others see it increasing in several ways and start getting very annoyed.  This, along with the history and current events of the day in our Universal Church/Liturgy, bring it to a head and they want out.  This is brief, but you will get the point.  God bless, angeltime :heart:

I don't have any children that I'd be taking as of right now, though at some point I'd love to take my young godson.  Other than the lax dress code at every NO Mass I've been to, I've not noticed any of the other things, but I do not pay too much attention to the things around me at times.  I'll have start taking note of these kinds of things, see what might be happening with others attending the Mass.


RE: What should I do? - havok579257 - 04-19-2018

(04-19-2018, 08:24 AM)SeekerofChrist Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 02:12 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.

That does seem like a good idea.  I'd imagine that there is a Tridentine Vespers and an NO Vespers, or something Vatican II-esque.  Any thoughts on that?

(04-19-2018, 03:05 AM)angeltime Wrote:
(04-18-2018, 10:52 PM)SeekerofChrist Wrote: I do not live close enough to a TLM.  Well, not close enough to get there every Sunday, though maybe once a month might be doable, as I have finally gotten my own car.  What makes for a reverent NO Mass?  I know that might sound strange but I usually hear pieces of advice like "find a reverent NO Mass" but no one really says what "reverent" means and how I might spot one.  I know some obvious things, like a priest wearing a clown suit but I'd imagine irreverence can be far more subtle, harder for someone like me (who remains very new to Tradition) to spot.  Any advice is appreciated.
Peace....sometimes one can see/hear  irreverant things around us at the NO Mass and still be reverent ourself, however if you are taking children, they may pick up these habits.  For me, I was bothered by the low-cut tops on women with shorts taking communion out of the tabernacle to take to a home visit.  There was also too much joking and fooling around from the pulpit - too much like entertainment and comedy night.  I noticed people (not all) receiving communion and chewing it like bubble gum.  Drinking bottled water in the pews - which I can understand if someone is choking, but it became habitual and started spreading.  I noticed one girl once, after Mass was over and people left, to be sitting on the back portion of the pew with her feet on the seat - her mother was the guitar player, so nobody would say anything.  Too much talking out loud even when it is obvious before or after Mass that people are praying or adoring Jesus.  People being called up at smaller gatherings to help themselves take communion left on the altar while the priest is sitting in his seat.  Somehow, protestant hymns were slowly getting into the music ministry.  For some people, this type of thing can happen once and seem not so bad, however others see it increasing in several ways and start getting very annoyed.  This, along with the history and current events of the day in our Universal Church/Liturgy, bring it to a head and they want out.  This is brief, but you will get the point.  God bless, angeltime :heart:

I don't have any children that I'd be taking as of right now, though at some point I'd love to take my young godson.  Other than the lax dress code at every NO Mass I've been to, I've not noticed any of the other things, but I do not pay too much attention to the things around me at times.  I'll have start taking note of these kinds of things, see what might be happening with others attending the Mass.

So your going to pay attention to other and not Jesus during the mass?  Who cares about what someone else is doing or wearimg?  You can't do anything about it.  I mean if someone  is dressed immodest are you really going to confront her about it?  Does a random parishioners dress affect how reverent the mass is?  What are you wanting.  The priest to publicly bar this person from mass?  Should we start shunning people and tell them they are not worthy enough to attend mass

also people need to stop acting like everyone at  tlm dresses reverently.  why can people not stop worrying about everyone else's  holyness and instead worry about their own.   worry about yourself and your sins and stop worry about others sins.


RE: What should I do? - SeekerofChrist - 04-19-2018

(04-19-2018, 02:12 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.

(04-19-2018, 08:55 AM)havok579257 Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 08:24 AM)SeekerofChrist Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 02:12 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.

That does seem like a good idea.  I'd imagine that there is a Tridentine Vespers and an NO Vespers, or something Vatican II-esque.  Any thoughts on that?

(04-19-2018, 03:05 AM)angeltime Wrote:
(04-18-2018, 10:52 PM)SeekerofChrist Wrote: I do not live close enough to a TLM.  Well, not close enough to get there every Sunday, though maybe once a month might be doable, as I have finally gotten my own car.  What makes for a reverent NO Mass?  I know that might sound strange but I usually hear pieces of advice like "find a reverent NO Mass" but no one really says what "reverent" means and how I might spot one.  I know some obvious things, like a priest wearing a clown suit but I'd imagine irreverence can be far more subtle, harder for someone like me (who remains very new to Tradition) to spot.  Any advice is appreciated.
Peace....sometimes one can see/hear  irreverant things around us at the NO Mass and still be reverent ourself, however if you are taking children, they may pick up these habits.  For me, I was bothered by the low-cut tops on women with shorts taking communion out of the tabernacle to take to a home visit.  There was also too much joking and fooling around from the pulpit - too much like entertainment and comedy night.  I noticed people (not all) receiving communion and chewing it like bubble gum.  Drinking bottled water in the pews - which I can understand if someone is choking, but it became habitual and started spreading.  I noticed one girl once, after Mass was over and people left, to be sitting on the back portion of the pew with her feet on the seat - her mother was the guitar player, so nobody would say anything.  Too much talking out loud even when it is obvious before or after Mass that people are praying or adoring Jesus.  People being called up at smaller gatherings to help themselves take communion left on the altar while the priest is sitting in his seat.  Somehow, protestant hymns were slowly getting into the music ministry.  For some people, this type of thing can happen once and seem not so bad, however others see it increasing in several ways and start getting very annoyed.  This, along with the history and current events of the day in our Universal Church/Liturgy, bring it to a head and they want out.  This is brief, but you will get the point.  God bless, angeltime :heart:

I don't have any children that I'd be taking as of right now, though at some point I'd love to take my young godson.  Other than the lax dress code at every NO Mass I've been to, I've not noticed any of the other things, but I do not pay too much attention to the things around me at times.  I'll have start taking note of these kinds of things, see what might be happening with others attending the Mass.

So your going to pay attention to other and not Jesus during the mass?  Who cares about what someone else is doing or wearimg?  You can't do anything about it.  I mean if someone  is dressed immodest are you really going to confront her about it?  Does a random parishioners dress affect how reverent the mass is?  What are you wanting.  The priest to publicly bar this person from mass?  Should we start shunning people and tell them they are not worthy enough to attend mass

also people need to stop acting like everyone at  tlm dresses reverently.  why can people not stop worrying about everyone else's  holyness and instead worry about their own.   worry about yourself and your sins and stop worry about others sins.

I never said what you have accused me of.  I did not call the people at NO sinners, regardless of how they dress.  I have no interest in "confronting" anyone over a dress code.  I did not say I wouldn't pay attention to Jesus at Mass, only that I'd try to note how others at the Mass conduct themselves.  I do have a right to expect some reverence at a Mass.  I am not concerned with judging anyone there, however, as that is for Jesus to do, not me.  I am concerned about my own sins and my own salvation, that's why I am asking a pretty simple question about how to find a good NO Mass.


RE: What should I do? - havok579257 - 04-19-2018

(04-19-2018, 09:13 AM)SeekerofChrist Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 02:12 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.

(04-19-2018, 08:55 AM)havok579257 Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 08:24 AM)SeekerofChrist Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 02:12 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.

That does seem like a good idea.  I'd imagine that there is a Tridentine Vespers and an NO Vespers, or something Vatican II-esque.  Any thoughts on that?

(04-19-2018, 03:05 AM)angeltime Wrote:
(04-18-2018, 10:52 PM)SeekerofChrist Wrote: I do not live close enough to a TLM.  Well, not close enough to get there every Sunday, though maybe once a month might be doable, as I have finally gotten my own car.  What makes for a reverent NO Mass?  I know that might sound strange but I usually hear pieces of advice like "find a reverent NO Mass" but no one really says what "reverent" means and how I might spot one.  I know some obvious things, like a priest wearing a clown suit but I'd imagine irreverence can be far more subtle, harder for someone like me (who remains very new to Tradition) to spot.  Any advice is appreciated.
Peace....sometimes one can see/hear  irreverant things around us at the NO Mass and still be reverent ourself, however if you are taking children, they may pick up these habits.  For me, I was bothered by the low-cut tops on women with shorts taking communion out of the tabernacle to take to a home visit.  There was also too much joking and fooling around from the pulpit - too much like entertainment and comedy night.  I noticed people (not all) receiving communion and chewing it like bubble gum.  Drinking bottled water in the pews - which I can understand if someone is choking, but it became habitual and started spreading.  I noticed one girl once, after Mass was over and people left, to be sitting on the back portion of the pew with her feet on the seat - her mother was the guitar player, so nobody would say anything.  Too much talking out loud even when it is obvious before or after Mass that people are praying or adoring Jesus.  People being called up at smaller gatherings to help themselves take communion left on the altar while the priest is sitting in his seat.  Somehow, protestant hymns were slowly getting into the music ministry.  For some people, this type of thing can happen once and seem not so bad, however others see it increasing in several ways and start getting very annoyed.  This, along with the history and current events of the day in our Universal Church/Liturgy, bring it to a head and they want out.  This is brief, but you will get the point.  God bless, angeltime :heart:

I don't have any children that I'd be taking as of right now, though at some point I'd love to take my young godson.  Other than the lax dress code at every NO Mass I've been to, I've not noticed any of the other things, but I do not pay too much attention to the things around me at times.  I'll have start taking note of these kinds of things, see what might be happening with others attending the Mass.

So your going to pay attention to other and not Jesus during the mass?  Who cares about what someone else is doing or wearimg?  You can't do anything about it.  I mean if someone  is dressed immodest are you really going to confront her about it?  Does a random parishioners dress affect how reverent the mass is?  What are you wanting.  The priest to publicly bar this person from mass?  Should we start shunning people and tell them they are not worthy enough to attend mass

also people need to stop acting like everyone at  tlm dresses reverently.  why can people not stop worrying about everyone else's  holyness and instead worry about their own.   worry about yourself and your sins and stop worry about others sins.

I never said what you have accused me of.  I did not call the people at NO sinners, regardless of how they dress.  I have no interest in "confronting" anyone over a dress code.  I did not say I wouldn't pay attention to Jesus at Mass, only that I'd try to note how others at the Mass conduct themselves.  I do have a right to expect some reverence at a Mass.  I am not concerned with judging anyone there, however, as that is for Jesus to do, not me.  I am concerned about my own sins and my own salvation, that's why I am asking a pretty simple question about how to find a good NO Mass.

Noting what others do has absolutely no bearing on the mass.  Last I checked what a person who is not the priest does at mass has absolutely no effect of the masses reverence, validity of licitnsss.  Just like if some person came to tlm dressed i modest it does it effect that mass.

Stop worrying  about others during mass.  That is on them.  It's not you.  It's not your responsibility.  If your taking note of others your to occupied with others sins.

#excuse the horrible spelling, I am on an iPad and my fingers are to buy for the keyboard on screen


RE: What should I do? - angeltime - 04-19-2018

(04-19-2018, 08:55 AM)havok579257 Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 08:24 AM)SeekerofChrist Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 02:12 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.

That does seem like a good idea.  I'd imagine that there is a Tridentine Vespers and an NO Vespers, or something Vatican II-esque.  Any thoughts on that?

(04-19-2018, 03:05 AM)angeltime Wrote:
(04-18-2018, 10:52 PM)SeekerofChrist Wrote: I do not live close enough to a TLM.  Well, not close enough to get there every Sunday, though maybe once a month might be doable, as I have finally gotten my own car.  What makes for a reverent NO Mass?  I know that might sound strange but I usually hear pieces of advice like "find a reverent NO Mass" but no one really says what "reverent" means and how I might spot one.  I know some obvious things, like a priest wearing a clown suit but I'd imagine irreverence can be far more subtle, harder for someone like me (who remains very new to Tradition) to spot.  Any advice is appreciated.
Peace....sometimes one can see/hear  irreverant things around us at the NO Mass and still be reverent ourself, however if you are taking children, they may pick up these habits.  For me, I was bothered by the low-cut tops on women with shorts taking communion out of the tabernacle to take to a home visit.  There was also too much joking and fooling around from the pulpit - too much like entertainment and comedy night.  I noticed people (not all) receiving communion and chewing it like bubble gum.  Drinking bottled water in the pews - which I can understand if someone is choking, but it became habitual and started spreading.  I noticed one girl once, after Mass was over and people left, to be sitting on the back portion of the pew with her feet on the seat - her mother was the guitar player, so nobody would say anything.  Too much talking out loud even when it is obvious before or after Mass that people are praying or adoring Jesus.  People being called up at smaller gatherings to help themselves take communion left on the altar while the priest is sitting in his seat.  Somehow, protestant hymns were slowly getting into the music ministry.  For some people, this type of thing can happen once and seem not so bad, however others see it increasing in several ways and start getting very annoyed.  This, along with the history and current events of the day in our Universal Church/Liturgy, bring it to a head and they want out.  This is brief, but you will get the point.  God bless, angeltime :heart:

I don't have any children that I'd be taking as of right now, though at some point I'd love to take my young godson.  Other than the lax dress code at every NO Mass I've been to, I've not noticed any of the other things, but I do not pay too much attention to the things around me at times.  I'll have start taking note of these kinds of things, see what might be happening with others attending the Mass.

So your going to pay attention to other and not Jesus during the mass?  Who cares about what someone else is doing or wearimg?  You can't do anything about it.  I mean if someone  is dressed immodest are you really going to confront her about it?  Does a random parishioners dress affect how reverent the mass is?  What are you wanting.  The priest to publicly bar this person from mass?  Should we start shunning people and tell them they are not worthy enough to attend mass

also people need to stop acting like everyone at  tlm dresses reverently.  why can people not stop worrying about everyone else's  holyness and instead worry about their own.   worry about yourself and your sins and stop worry about others sins.
Peace.....I can say for sure I am not worried about it at all - however environment is important to some and when there is too much of these things happening in one location, one may decide it is time to move on.  As I said in my previous post - one thing happening once, may not bother anyone however, for some when it starts to increase and become to laid back, they don't like it - I think it is an individual decision.  It is a distraction for some and their personal decision.  It's not a matter of "paying attention" to something like loud conversation while one is praying - it is a distraction that really could be addressed - some have addressed it including priests and others have ignored it and left.  There are people who like the bar higher and that is again their decision.  God bless, angeltime :heart:


RE: What should I do? - SeekerofChrist - 04-19-2018

(04-19-2018, 02:12 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.

(04-19-2018, 09:35 AM)havok579257 Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 09:13 AM)SeekerofChrist Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 02:12 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.

(04-19-2018, 08:55 AM)havok579257 Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 08:24 AM)SeekerofChrist Wrote:
(04-19-2018, 02:12 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote: Perhaps you could pray vespers. You can do that yourself, wherever you happen to be, and the reverence depends on you.

That does seem like a good idea.  I'd imagine that there is a Tridentine Vespers and an NO Vespers, or something Vatican II-esque.  Any thoughts on that?

(04-19-2018, 03:05 AM)angeltime Wrote:
(04-18-2018, 10:52 PM)SeekerofChrist Wrote: I do not live close enough to a TLM.  Well, not close enough to get there every Sunday, though maybe once a month might be doable, as I have finally gotten my own car.  What makes for a reverent NO Mass?  I know that might sound strange but I usually hear pieces of advice like "find a reverent NO Mass" but no one really says what "reverent" means and how I might spot one.  I know some obvious things, like a priest wearing a clown suit but I'd imagine irreverence can be far more subtle, harder for someone like me (who remains very new to Tradition) to spot.  Any advice is appreciated.
Peace....sometimes one can see/hear  irreverant things around us at the NO Mass and still be reverent ourself, however if you are taking children, they may pick up these habits.  For me, I was bothered by the low-cut tops on women with shorts taking communion out of the tabernacle to take to a home visit.  There was also too much joking and fooling around from the pulpit - too much like entertainment and comedy night.  I noticed people (not all) receiving communion and chewing it like bubble gum.  Drinking bottled water in the pews - which I can understand if someone is choking, but it became habitual and started spreading.  I noticed one girl once, after Mass was over and people left, to be sitting on the back portion of the pew with her feet on the seat - her mother was the guitar player, so nobody would say anything.  Too much talking out loud even when it is obvious before or after Mass that people are praying or adoring Jesus.  People being called up at smaller gatherings to help themselves take communion left on the altar while the priest is sitting in his seat.  Somehow, protestant hymns were slowly getting into the music ministry.  For some people, this type of thing can happen once and seem not so bad, however others see it increasing in several ways and start getting very annoyed.  This, along with the history and current events of the day in our Universal Church/Liturgy, bring it to a head and they want out.  This is brief, but you will get the point.  God bless, angeltime :heart:

I don't have any children that I'd be taking as of right now, though at some point I'd love to take my young godson.  Other than the lax dress code at every NO Mass I've been to, I've not noticed any of the other things, but I do not pay too much attention to the things around me at times.  I'll have start taking note of these kinds of things, see what might be happening with others attending the Mass.

So your going to pay attention to other and not Jesus during the mass?  Who cares about what someone else is doing or wearimg?  You can't do anything about it.  I mean if someone  is dressed immodest are you really going to confront her about it?  Does a random parishioners dress affect how reverent the mass is?  What are you wanting.  The priest to publicly bar this person from mass?  Should we start shunning people and tell them they are not worthy enough to attend mass

also people need to stop acting like everyone at  tlm dresses reverently.  why can people not stop worrying about everyone else's  holyness and instead worry about their own.   worry about yourself and your sins and stop worry about others sins.

I never said what you have accused me of.  I did not call the people at NO sinners, regardless of how they dress.  I have no interest in "confronting" anyone over a dress code.  I did not say I wouldn't pay attention to Jesus at Mass, only that I'd try to note how others at the Mass conduct themselves.  I do have a right to expect some reverence at a Mass.  I am not concerned with judging anyone there, however, as that is for Jesus to do, not me.  I am concerned about my own sins and my own salvation, that's why I am asking a pretty simple question about how to find a good NO Mass.

Noting what others do has absolutely no bearing on the mass.  Last I checked what a person who is not the priest does at mass has absolutely no effect of the masses reverence, validity of licitnsss.  Just like if some person came to tlm dressed i modest it does it effect that mass.

Stop worrying  about others during mass.  That is on them.  It's not you.  It's not your responsibility.  If your taking note of others your to occupied with others sins.

#excuse the horrible spelling, I am on an iPad and my fingers are to buy for the keyboard on screen

This might be valid in some cases and not others.  Someone dressed in street clothes is not distracting to me, for as I said before, I seldom take notice of the people around me.  My concern is not with their sins, as I do not know if they are sinning, for how can I know what their intent is in their manner of dress or other conduct, or their knowledge in this area, too?  But someone playing a loud app on their smartphone, close enough that the noise can distract me?  I'd say that is a problem for me.  Again, I do not know if the person doing this is sinning, I cannot judge them but their behavior is distracting and not appropriate in the Mass.  I've noticed most of the people doing that kind of thing are teens and young adults, and perhaps have not been taught better.  I try to assume charitable things about others.

This discussion is starting to become off-topic.  I will take into account that you have said but if there is more to add to this question, that is, proper attire for Mass (that, for the most part, is not what I was asking) and how much, if any attention, we should pay to a distraction at Mass is best handled in another thread.  I'm happy to participate in that thread, should you like to start it.  Otherwise, I'd like to focus on my OP, which is about finding a good NO Mass.  Thank you, and please remember me in your prayers. :)

And no worries about spelling errors.  I can't type on an iPad, period. :D


RE: What should I do? - angeltime - 04-19-2018

Peace.....sorry, but I think the question was about "what" is irreverant - and all the detail came out as to what you might like, not like, or what to possibly expect when you are searching for a good NO Mass.  I agree whole-heartedly, that we are not focusing on others' sins at all - but seeing how a certain parish is conducting itself, says a lot about other things especially in terms of distractions.  (there are issues about legit masses because of the changes and this added to the environment, is what makes a person decide what they will do - stay or leave)  I have seen people dressed in scruffy jeans at the Tridentine Mass but still behave most reverently toward the tabernacle, eucharist, prayers and respect for others in the room.  God bless, you are well equipped now to search if that is what you want.  angeltime :heart: