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RE: Archbishop Viganò: Is Vatican II “Untouchable”? - Bombero - 10-03-2020

It is untouchable in the sense that reversion would cause a massive schism where probably 80% of the "faithful" will breakaway to form the Modernist Catholic Chuch.


RE: Archbishop Viganò: Is Vatican II “Untouchable”? - Augustinian - 10-03-2020

(10-03-2020, 07:58 PM)Bombero Wrote: It is untouchable in the sense that reversion would cause a massive schism where probably 80% of the "faithful" will breakaway to form the Modernist Catholic Chuch.
So be it then. Better to finally sever the heretics from the True Church than to limp along in utter confusion.


RE: Archbishop Viganò: Is Vatican II “Untouchable”? - SeekerofChrist - 10-03-2020

(10-03-2020, 09:39 PM)Augustinian Wrote:
(10-03-2020, 07:58 PM)Bombero Wrote: It is untouchable in the sense that reversion would cause a massive schism where probably 80% of the "faithful" will breakaway to form the Modernist Catholic Chuch.
So be it then. Better to finally sever the heretics from the True Church than to limp along in utter confusion.

I find myself in agreement with this sentiment.  It will be a painful and bitter process but a necessary one, I think.  The heretics and liberals in the Church will not be converted by "dialogue" or "accompaniment" or whatever the latest name is for lukewarm teaching and preaching.  Perhaps the stark choice of remaining true to the Faith or following Vatican II in a schismatic "church" might just cause a few (and probably only a few) to awaken from their stupor and realize the errors of the last 60 years.  And, regardless, the Church can finally begin to recover from this dark period.


RE: Archbishop Viganò: Is Vatican II “Untouchable”? - MyLady - 10-04-2020

(10-03-2020, 09:39 PM)Augustinian Wrote:
(10-03-2020, 07:58 PM)Bombero Wrote: It is untouchable in the sense that reversion would cause a massive schism where probably 80% of the "faithful" will breakaway to form the Modernist Catholic Chuch.
So be it then. Better to finally sever the heretics from the True Church than to limp along in utter confusion.

Quality not quantity sums it up!


RE: Archbishop Viganò: Is Vatican II “Untouchable”? - Bushum - 10-04-2020

(10-03-2020, 07:58 PM)Bombero Wrote: It is untouchable in the sense that reversion would cause a massive schism where probably 80% of the "faithful" will breakaway to form the Modernist Catholic cChurch.
 To be more precise...


RE: Archbishop Viganò: Is Vatican II “Untouchable”? - austenbosten - 10-05-2020

(10-03-2020, 09:46 PM)SeekerofChrist Wrote:
(10-03-2020, 09:39 PM)Augustinian Wrote:
(10-03-2020, 07:58 PM)Bombero Wrote: It is untouchable in the sense that reversion would cause a massive schism where probably 80% of the "faithful" will breakaway to form the Modernist Catholic Chuch.
So be it then. Better to finally sever the heretics from the True Church than to limp along in utter confusion.

I find myself in agreement with this sentiment.  It will be a painful and bitter process but a necessary one, I think.  The heretics and liberals in the Church will not be converted by "dialogue" or "accompaniment" or whatever the latest name is for lukewarm teaching and preaching.  Perhaps the stark choice of remaining true to the Faith or following Vatican II in a schismatic "church" might just cause a few (and probably only a few) to awaken from their stupor and realize the errors of the last 60 years.  And, regardless, the Church can finally begin to recover from this dark period.

Well we can look at the Old "Catholics" and Anglican/Episcopalians to get an idea of how it would fare...I'd give it 50 years tops.


RE: Archbishop Viganò: Is Vatican II “Untouchable”? - SeekerofChrist - 10-05-2020

(10-05-2020, 12:50 AM)austenbosten Wrote: Well we can look at the Old "Catholics" and Anglican/Episcopalians to get an idea of how it would fare...I'd give it 50 years tops.

I think that's about right.  The liberals/modernists might leave with something like a super-majority of current Catholics but, given the anemic birth rates and general lack of interest in missionary work among the theological liberals, it probably wouldn't be more than a few generations before the schismatic "church" were to see its membership plummet.  I guess having maybe one or two kids that you don't bother to rear in your inclusive, non-necessary path to Heaven faith and lack of efforts to convert people to your inclusive, non-necessary path to Heaven faith isn't a good recipe for even basic survival.