Losing weight on Atkins
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AdoramusTeChriste Wrote:]

I have noticed that trainers tend to cop on to a pet theory and deride everything else. I used a trainer once and gained weight due to carb-loading. Worst thing I could've done. Also, all my kids are athletically inclined, so I have had the opportunity to watch their trainers argue about their favorite eating plans. :laughing: It is exactly like watching prots argue about the best version of the bible.

I'm not like that. I don't have a pet theory. My measuring rod is if it is logical and sustainable.

I use whatever version is available. I typically quote the KJV, but use the DR for my own reading or quoting among Catholics.

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Dang! And so many of us thought it just worked! Who knew we have been swindled by marketers! Maybe they will give us our fat back. Yeesh.
It worked. So does any other diet. That is not the point. If the point is to drop fat and does it, the diet will work and sell. However, it will rarely be a lifestyle or sustainable. Even if it is, any other lifestyle would work just as well.

Quote:Actually, carbs <b>are</b> the problem. They cause insulin levels to rise. All carbs do. Starchy carbs are the worst; a natural potato has one of the highest glycemic indices out there. If you have a slow metabolism, that is usually not a problem.
High glycemic carbs are a problem, but not natural ones. How many people are fat because of potatoes? It is the unnatural processed ones that are the problem, which I stated before.

Quote: But if you have a fast metabolism then you are setting yourself up for a host of long term illnesses, including obesity, by eliminating fats and proteins in favor of carbs.
I think you meant slow metabolism?

Quote: For some people, the only healthy carbs are the the non-starchy, low sugar variety.
I'm not sure what you mean by "healthy" carbs. There is no such thing. There is only different packaging. Look at my outlines in my first post, the carbs are at the end, after the high fibre, and low carb foods. If one eats a salid, a steak, some carrots, and some potatoes, the high glycemic index of the potatoes is lost and the meal is quite stable (insulin wise, except for those with medical problems). It is all the modern processed food with its high glycemic index foods in high concentration in unfilling foods that are a problem.

Quote: I am one of those people. For example, if I eat fruit I crash about 20 minutes later.
Wouldn't it depend on what type of fruit ;)

Also, eating it with other food would prevent that, barring medical problems.

Quote: Then I need more sugary carbs to rebound and a bunch of caffeine to mask the next crash.
I wouldn't say that. You just need to eat more foods with lower glycemic indices. However, most people aren't like that (if what you said is accurate) and it hardly justifies the Atkins diet itself.

Quote:What is good for me is refraining from foods that wreak havoc on my insulin levels.
Yes, which is hard to do if one follows the FDA guidelines (the FDA is bought, take their advice with a grain of salt. For those with saline sensitive high blood pressure, substitute something else for the salt).

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Conversely, someone like you would feel sluggish and awful after eating a steak.
Why? I'm a vegan and wouldn't eat steak now, but there was a time I ate it every day (I used to live on milk and rare steak).

Quote: I feel great after eating a steak or some other meat- I have tons of energy that lasts for hours. If I eat a potato with it, my energy level plummets.
That is highly unusual for a healthy person. I'd also suggest it is suggestive. You seem to be a supporter of the Atkins diet. I wonder if you or your body could tell the difference between foods that are otherwise identicle except for the glycemic index?

Quote:I have learned through researching various books on nutrition that there are plenty of people out there like me, just as there are plenty of people out there like you, just as there are plenty of people in between.
I am not on either extreme. I am healthy and do not have any weird reactions to food like that.

Quote: A one size fits all approach is not a good idea, but at least the low carb diet has the added value of stabilizing insulin levels.
Stabilizing? Lowering, I'd say. If one doesn't pummel the body with unnatural food with high glycemic index foods, the healthy body can cope with high glycemic index foods, or low without any trouble. People with various medical problems will be different.

Quote:This is the most common misconception surrounding the Atkins diet. I have read his books and nowhere does he suggest banning all carbs. I have noticed that vegans and vegetarians are more likely than others to pereptuate this fabrication.
It isn't a misconception. I've read his works, and found them to be very overly biased against vegetables (note, I was not a vegan at the time). It isn't a "fabrication", but a truth. His diet is not feasible for a vegan. The Warrior Diet I mentioned earlier is extremely flexible and the most universal diet I've ever seen.

Quote:Methinks some animal protein might sort you out. ;)
Why? I've lived on it before and I only improved in health and fitness after being a vegan. I have no desire to regress.

Quote:Since meats and fats are natural foods, I have no beef with you on this point. Yeah, the pun was intended.
Very clever ;) Yes, I am a naturalist most of all and a vegan because with the availability of good vegetables and fruits, there is no reason to eat the flesh of dead animals (assuming the typical grocery store).

Quote:This statement is likely due to your mistaken view of what the Atkins diet is.

In my physiology class the professor explained to us why the Atkins diet works well and can be used safely for life. No offense, but unless you can produce your doctorate in health sciences, I am going to side with my instructor. I studied the citric acid cycle and I am on board. [Image: waytogo.gif] Aced the class, too.

The citric acid cycle? There are more metabolic processes than that, and I have studied such things ;) but I won't argue them.

I look to actual people for my information. The studies from the field, so to speak, have never indicated the Atkins diet to be more than a proximation of a few points.
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