Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell?
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On another thread which was locked, a certain person made an unjust assumption that all the Jews who were sent to Auschwitz went to hell.

Many said this was wrong because the Church has never declared anyone specific to be in hell. She only declares who is in heaven.

But is this true? I'm not looking for a fight or trying to cause trouble. I just want a mature and honest discussion and to see what people think based on these excerpts I have provided.

The first place is the Bible. The Book of Numbers 16:

And when they were departed from their tents round about, <B>Dathan and Abiron</B> coming out stood in the entry of their pavilions <B>with their wives and children, and all the people</B>.  And Moses said: By this you shall know that the Lord hath sent me to do all things that you see, and that I have not forged them of my own head: If these men die the common death of men, and if they be visited with a plague, wherewith others also are wont to be visited, the Lord did not send me.  But if the Lord do a new thing, and the <B>earth opening her mouth swallow them down</B>, and all things that belong to them, and <B>they go down alive into hell</B>, you shall know that they have blasphemed the Lord.

This was confirmed in Eccesiasticus 45:23,24
And strangers stood up against him, and through envy the men that were with <B>Dathan and Abiron</B>, compassed him about in the wilderness, and the congregation of Core in their wrath. The Lord God saw and it pleased him not, and they were consumed in his wrathful indignation.  He wrought wonders upon them, and <B>consumed them with a flame of fire</B>.
 
Jesus said Judas was in hell. John 17,12
Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and <B>none of them is lost</B>, <B>but</B> the <B>son of perdition</B>, that the scripture may be fulfilled.

Jesus said in Luke 16 that the rich man also died: and he <B>was buried in hell</B>.

Peter said the same of Simon Magnus in Acts 8, 20.
Keep thy money to thyself, to <B>perish</B> with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

St. Edmund Capion wrote that Judas and the Protestant Reformers Martin Luther and Zwingli were in hell.
You will gain nothing except perhpas <B>to be tortured</B> somewhat less horribly in the <B>everlasting fire</B> than <B>Judas, or Luther or Zwingli.</B>
 
St. Robert Bellermine wrote that the Jews who killed Christ, Pilate, Judas and Herod for nearly 2,000 years...have been <B>suffering the torments of hell</B>, and their cries of despair will be heard forever and ever.
 
The Roman Breviary( St. Peter Mavimenus) wrote that Mohammed, your false prophet is <B>damned. </B>
I believe the Holy Office wrote to St. Francis Xavier that Confuscious was damned. I just can't find the reference for that one.
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So thoughts?
 

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Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by didishroom - 02-15-2009, 04:00 PM
Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by SCG - 02-15-2009, 05:22 PM
Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by SCG - 02-15-2009, 06:42 PM
Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by SCG - 02-15-2009, 07:14 PM
Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by SCG - 02-15-2009, 07:31 PM
Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by SCG - 02-15-2009, 07:50 PM
Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by DJR - 02-15-2009, 08:22 PM
Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by DJR - 02-15-2009, 09:30 PM
Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by DJR - 02-15-2009, 10:13 PM
Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by DJR - 02-15-2009, 10:17 PM
Does the Church Say Anyone Is In Hell? - by SCG - 02-16-2009, 05:09 PM



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