Dignitatis Humanae Revisited
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(05-22-2009, 08:53 AM)anthony Wrote: I seek something of a practical approach. Right. I don't think there's harm in that, so long as we know who we are and why we're here. We're not here to twiddle our thumbs while the world sends itself to hell. Nor can we keep this from happening by shouting from atop some tower with no means of condescending below. This is what I think DH stood for, that condescension. It was not extremely well done. It was too modest an effort in my opinion...But I don't know if the council fathers weren't limited in what they could say, politically, and if they lacked a kind of hindsight that would give them confidence in making more risky (by the world's standards) comments.

You perceive a deficiency of confidence but was that from a lack of hindsight or something else? The widely-held opinion that VII questioned or even contradicted Tradition indicates that lack of confidence you noticed was uncertainty about the truth of Tradition. The uncertainty about Catholic Tradition would explains why Vatican II elevates false creeds instead of simply condemning or ignoring them as in all previous councils. Council fathers had doubts about whether Catholicism was entirely true and therefore could not confidently dismiss opposing creeds as false.
Quote:I find this essay quite helpful.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=YT0Co8ky...t&resnum=1

The essay contains interesting consideration about church-state models but attaches undo importance to the state. The One, Eternal Church teaches the various states to abide with Truth, and never alters its teaching to conform with temporarily prevalent falsehoods. The Church may permit falsehood for the sake of peace but never accept falsehood as righteous.
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Dignitatis Humanae Revisited - by moneil - 05-17-2009, 09:50 PM
Dignitatis Humanae Revisited - by SCG - 05-17-2009, 11:05 PM
Dignitatis Humanae Revisited - by Underdog - 05-18-2009, 12:33 AM
Dignitatis Humanae Revisited - by moneil - 05-18-2009, 12:57 AM
Dignitatis Humanae Revisited - by Scipio_a - 05-18-2009, 01:25 AM
Dignitatis Humanae Revisited - by Underdog - 05-18-2009, 01:27 AM
Dignitatis Humanae Revisited - by moneil - 05-18-2009, 01:58 AM
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Re: Dignitatis Humanae Revisited - by anthony - 05-21-2009, 11:38 AM
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Re: Dignitatis Humanae Revisited - by INPEFESS - 05-21-2009, 03:38 PM
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Re: Dignitatis Humanae Revisited - by anthony - 05-21-2009, 05:48 PM
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