Bp W Column, 5.30.09
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(06-02-2009, 11:15 AM)newschoolman Wrote:
(06-02-2009, 10:21 AM)lamentabili sane Wrote: Archbishop Lefebvre understood the extent of the infallibility of the Pope:

Quote:"It appears to us much more certain that the faith taught by the Church over twenty centuries cannot contain error than that there is absolute certainty that the Pope really is the pope. Heresy, schism, ipso facto excommunication, and the invalidity of the election are all potential reasons why a Pope was never really the pope or should cease to be the pope. In such a case, clearly a very exceptional one, the Church would find herself in a situation similar to that which she experiences after the decease of a Sovereign Pontiff. For, in a word, a very serious problem presents itself to the conscience and the faith of all Catholics since the beginning of the papacy of Paul VI. How is that a Pope, the true successor of Peter, assured of the assistance of the Holy Spirit, could preside over the destruction of the Church, the most profound and extensive in her history, in such a short space of time, something which no heresiarch has ever succeeded in doing? To this question there will one day have to be a reply." - Declaration by Mgr Lefebvre to Figaro, reproduced in Monde et Vie no 264, for 27 August 1976.

This was shortly after he was suspended a divinis (in July 1976) for ordaining priests contrary to the order of Paul VI.

Yes, I think he affirms the indefectibility of the Papal Magisterium here in the first sentence insofar as the teaching Church "cannot contain error".  On the other hand, he seems to open up to the thesis of sedevacantism insofar as the only possible explanation for the crisis (as he sees it) is that the Pope is not really the Pope.  Unfortunately, that road is also a dead end.

Denying facts truly leads to enabling the continued destruction.
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Bp W Column, 5.30.09 - by dedalus28 - 05-30-2009, 10:54 AM
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