Bp W Column, 5.30.09
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(06-02-2009, 01:28 PM)newschoolman Wrote:
(06-02-2009, 01:20 PM)lamentabili sane Wrote: The facts of the crisis.

Archbishop Lefebvre" Wrote:For, in a word, a very serious problem presents itself to the conscience and the faith of all Catholics since the beginning of the papacy of Paul VI. How is that a Pope, the true successor of Peter, assured of the assistance of the Holy Spirit, could preside over the destruction of the Church, the most profound and extensive in her history, in such a short space of time, something which no heresiarch has ever succeeded in doing? To this question there will one day have to be a reply."

Those are not facts but statements of opinion.  Have we really witnessed "the destruction of the Church"?  Really?  The Church is indefectible (indestructible).  Is this really the worst crisis in history?  That seems very debatable.    

It's debatable in some of the details, but not in the broad sense. This is an area where we respectfully part company.
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Bp W Column, 5.30.09 - by dedalus28 - 05-30-2009, 10:54 AM
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