Blaming Vatican II
(06-30-2009, 07:45 PM)glgas Wrote: I have a question for all those who blame the Council for the bad shape of the Church: How do they expect a renewal?

In the last 2000 years always a Council brought the renewal:

- Nicea from the depth of Arianism

- Constance from the Great Western Schism

- Trident from the destructivr effect of the Protestantism

Blaming Vatican II, and practically stating that all the bishops of the Earth could agree and sign something which is destructive, destroys the authority of the concept of any Council. What will then lift the Church from the depth of the Modernism?

Would not be better to search for the chain of events, as a complex issue, instead of blaming Vatican II?

Matt 18:18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.

laszlo

What is this thing the Bishops are supposed to sign?  ???
I think we are doing a pretty good job of getting past Vat II without calling any new councils, etc.  The jugular was never cut, our bone marrow is healthy, and the blood supply is recovering. It just took time.
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Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 06-30-2009, 07:45 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Historian - 06-30-2009, 07:54 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Iuvenalis - 06-30-2009, 08:06 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by veritatem_dilexisti - 06-30-2009, 08:07 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by flannerywannabe - 06-30-2009, 08:13 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Historian - 06-30-2009, 08:16 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by neel - 06-30-2009, 08:27 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by flannerywannabe - 06-30-2009, 08:27 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by jovan66102 - 06-30-2009, 08:28 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Credo - 06-30-2009, 08:43 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 06-30-2009, 09:00 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Mhoram - 06-30-2009, 09:56 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by JPM - 06-30-2009, 11:36 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by iggyting - 07-01-2009, 01:03 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by jovan66102 - 07-01-2009, 02:26 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Benno - 07-01-2009, 03:31 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 07-01-2009, 07:29 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 07-01-2009, 07:45 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 07-01-2009, 07:52 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 07-01-2009, 08:00 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by veritatem_dilexisti - 07-01-2009, 08:06 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-01-2009, 09:12 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-01-2009, 12:29 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by didishroom - 07-01-2009, 12:39 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 07-01-2009, 01:02 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-01-2009, 01:02 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-01-2009, 01:10 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by veritatem_dilexisti - 07-01-2009, 01:13 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 07-01-2009, 01:13 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 07-01-2009, 01:26 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-01-2009, 01:33 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-01-2009, 02:19 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by jovan66102 - 07-01-2009, 02:33 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-01-2009, 02:49 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by jovan66102 - 07-01-2009, 03:03 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-01-2009, 03:27 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-01-2009, 03:32 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by jovan66102 - 07-01-2009, 03:50 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-01-2009, 04:04 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by jovan66102 - 07-01-2009, 04:15 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-01-2009, 04:39 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-01-2009, 04:47 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Mhoram - 07-01-2009, 05:21 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 07-01-2009, 07:57 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 07-01-2009, 08:07 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Credo - 07-01-2009, 08:28 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by SoCalLocal - 07-01-2009, 08:52 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by iggyting - 07-02-2009, 12:15 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-02-2009, 09:38 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-02-2009, 10:06 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-02-2009, 10:13 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-02-2009, 10:15 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-02-2009, 10:23 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-02-2009, 10:41 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-02-2009, 10:44 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-02-2009, 10:47 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-02-2009, 11:01 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Mhoram - 07-02-2009, 11:06 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-02-2009, 11:57 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-02-2009, 12:06 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-02-2009, 12:31 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 07-02-2009, 01:47 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 07-02-2009, 01:51 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-02-2009, 03:22 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-02-2009, 05:15 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 07-02-2009, 07:15 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-02-2009, 07:23 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-02-2009, 08:25 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-02-2009, 08:44 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-03-2009, 01:24 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Underdog - 07-03-2009, 01:37 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Underdog - 07-03-2009, 01:56 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 07-03-2009, 02:30 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 09:27 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 09:39 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 10:10 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 10:13 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 10:19 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 10:27 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 10:43 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Underdog - 07-03-2009, 11:05 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 11:15 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 11:21 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 11:27 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 11:30 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 11:45 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 11:48 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 11:50 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 11:55 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 11:57 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 11:58 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 12:00 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 12:04 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 12:04 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 12:07 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 12:10 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 12:10 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 12:14 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 12:18 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 12:20 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 12:37 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 01:13 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 01:20 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by spasiisochrani - 07-03-2009, 01:20 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 03:11 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 03:40 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-03-2009, 04:49 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-03-2009, 07:58 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 07-04-2009, 12:22 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 07-04-2009, 12:27 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 07-04-2009, 12:30 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 07-04-2009, 12:34 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-04-2009, 12:40 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Caritas - 07-04-2009, 10:02 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 07-04-2009, 12:55 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 07-04-2009, 01:33 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-04-2009, 01:36 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-04-2009, 01:39 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-04-2009, 01:53 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-04-2009, 03:19 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-04-2009, 03:32 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-04-2009, 03:52 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 07-04-2009, 11:15 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-05-2009, 06:16 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-05-2009, 02:22 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-05-2009, 08:16 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-05-2009, 08:18 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-05-2009, 08:41 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-05-2009, 08:52 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 07-05-2009, 09:02 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DJR - 07-05-2009, 09:23 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by 7_SorrowsDaily - 01-07-2010, 02:25 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by devotedknuckles - 01-07-2010, 08:30 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Baskerville - 01-07-2010, 09:02 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by devotedknuckles - 01-07-2010, 10:03 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Baskerville - 01-07-2010, 10:15 AM
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Re: Blaming Vatican II - by SearchingCatholic - 01-07-2010, 03:08 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by SearchingCatholic - 01-07-2010, 03:13 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Vetus Ordo - 01-07-2010, 04:01 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 01-07-2010, 04:20 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by tradmaverick - 01-07-2010, 09:22 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by RalphKramden - 01-07-2010, 09:41 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by JayneK - 01-07-2010, 09:54 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 01-07-2010, 10:11 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Baskerville - 01-08-2010, 12:09 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Scipio_a - 01-08-2010, 01:20 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Historian - 01-08-2010, 07:29 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 01-09-2010, 12:43 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by SearchingCatholic - 01-09-2010, 12:58 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by DesperatelySeeking - 01-09-2010, 11:16 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by the4thlamb - 01-10-2010, 03:49 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by James02 - 01-10-2010, 05:03 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by the4thlamb - 01-10-2010, 10:02 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by Historian - 01-10-2010, 10:15 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by SearchingCatholic - 01-11-2010, 12:13 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by ggreg - 01-13-2010, 10:13 AM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 02-02-2010, 05:21 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by INPEFESS - 02-02-2010, 05:28 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by lamentabili sane - 02-02-2010, 05:52 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by SaintSebastian - 03-01-2010, 12:42 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by glgas - 03-03-2010, 07:05 PM
Re: Blaming Vatican II - by littlerose - 03-03-2010, 07:59 PM



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