Why was England so interested in conquering Ireland?
(07-30-2009, 01:05 PM)epalinurus Wrote: Your portrayal of the US failings, however, is frivolous.  We fought a bloody civil war to end slavery and have worked as hard or harder than any country to correct its consequences.

Well, that proves my point. One cannot truly say that "such and such people did this", because it is nothing more than convenient shorthand to incorporate the inhabitants of a nation into a fictional personal entity.

(07-30-2009, 01:05 PM)epalinurus Wrote: The delay in US entrance to both world wars was based on an isolationist tendency that was/is not immoral in itself, to say the least, …

And? Does it make it less true?

(07-30-2009, 01:05 PM)epalinurus Wrote: … and it's objectively true that US entrance titled the balance in both cases (not to disminish the sacrifice of our allies, esp in WW2).

Which is why I did not write: "and now act as if the Second World War could not have been won without them". Indeed, it could not; but neither could the US have won the war without their allies. Many Americans seem oblivious to this.

(07-30-2009, 01:05 PM)epalinurus Wrote: Your portrayals of Vietnam and Iraq are narrow, pejorative, out of context, and grossly one-sided.

As are the above portrayals of historical English behaviour.

(07-30-2009, 01:05 PM)epalinurus Wrote: Although it's more than arguable that the principle at bottom in all these wars is the same, you'd have us believe that the US was immoral for fighting the world wars "too late," and immoral for fighting the other two wars at all.

Well, I certainly would not count those points in the US's favour.

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Re: Why was England so interested in conquering Ireland? - by veritatem_dilexisti - 07-30-2009, 01:15 PM

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