SSPX or Orthodox
(10-18-2009, 02:58 PM)Walty Wrote:
(10-18-2009, 02:46 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Walty allot to respond to ill try
To get all the points
First
The NO certainly is not catholic. Its protestant  through and through.
Is it valid? Well sometimes I suppose. Again as has been said better then myself here the orthodox masses r valid but not catholic. Hell black masses r valid but certainly r not catholic.
Walty its a very hard edged pill to swallow but the smoke of satan has done so much demolishin on the True faith by the imposition of a non catholic mass I sympathjize with u in having a hard time comming to grips with how how so very deep the destruction and revolution has been. But alas Tradition was not destroyed and the True mass the mass of all times like ST athanasius stands against the world. Walty the NO is no good lad! Avoid it like the plague. And I mean it. I don't know why God would allow what happened to happen  but God gave me eyes and I see the horrid catastrophe for what it is.
We r in dark times but satan and his demons will not prevail!
By extension
The NO being a non catholic mass how can catholics in good consciounce worship at it? Yoir a bright lad walty. So do ur soul a favor and compare the mass for all time side by side to the prod bastard mass the NO. And u will see. Just if u do go  stop going to the NO and only worship at the mass of all time. Tradition lad!!
The world will eat itself along with the modernists but stand with Tradition.

I definitely agree with you DK.  I mean, if I didn't love Tradition I wouldn't be here.  You are right.  It certainly does seem that the TLM is superior in every way.  At the same time, I just don't understand how to come to grips with that or understand that in light of everything else I know about the Church.  You're right that it's a hard pill to swallow and ever since I started considering myself a Traditional Catholic (at least two years ago) I guess I still haven't figured out exactly what's going on in the Church.  I don't want to become an anti-Papist nor do I want to deny the Holy Ghost in the Church so this is why I hold the views I do.

I used to be just like you, man.  I could NOT come to grips with it - no matter how hard I tried.  When it comes down to it, we can all agree, that is the majority of us who are on this forum, that the Church is a VERY confusing place these days - and the smoke of Satan has surely entered the Church and is wafting to her utmost levels.

What do the saints tell us when a situation like this arises.  Heed the words of St. Vincent of Lerins, which have consoled me on more than one occasion:

"What then shall the Catholic do if some portion of the Church detaches itself from communion of the universal Faith? If some new contagion attempts to poison, no longer a small part of the Church, but the whole Church at once, then his great concern will be to attach himself to antiquity (Tradition) which can no longer be led astray by any lying novelty."

You say that you don't want to become an anti-Papist.  We who are associated with the SSPX have probably the most respect for the Chair of St. Peter than anyone else.  BUT, we will NOT stand aside as the Church is destroyed from within.  If a priest or bishop or even the Pope himself says or does something that is damaging to the faith of souls, then we will call it as we see it.  As saints have said "to not speak out against evil is to condone it."

I will pray that you continue to hold fast to Tradition.  God Bless.
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SSPX or Orthodox - by nsper7 - 10-01-2009, 01:00 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by franklinf - 10-01-2009, 01:04 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by nsper7 - 10-01-2009, 01:07 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by franklinf - 10-01-2009, 01:09 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by OLOMC - 10-01-2009, 01:10 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by nsper7 - 10-01-2009, 01:12 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by franklinf - 10-01-2009, 01:15 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by nsper7 - 10-01-2009, 01:19 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by jovan66102 - 10-01-2009, 01:21 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by glgas - 10-01-2009, 01:22 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by Fortunatus - 10-01-2009, 01:22 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by anthony - 10-01-2009, 01:22 PM
Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by franklinf - 10-01-2009, 01:22 PM
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Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by nsper7 - 10-01-2009, 01:51 PM
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Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by nsper7 - 10-02-2009, 06:57 PM
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Re: SSPX or Orthodox - by devotedknuckles - 10-18-2009, 07:14 AM
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