SSPX or Orthodox
(10-18-2009, 02:05 PM)Nic Wrote:
(10-18-2009, 02:00 PM)Walty Wrote: The difference is that Arianism didn't infilitrate and change the form of the sacraments, as far as I can tell.

So if you admit that the Sacraments have been changed, then why do you continue to defend the new Sacraments when we are supposed to "cling to Tradition."  (and yes, Arianism most DEFINATELY did infiltrate, and they did change the Sacraments - how could they not?  They didn't believe in the Divinity of Christ!)

Arianism is a DIRECT parrallel to our times.  The Arian Crisis and the Modernist Crisis are extraordinarily similiar.  St. Athanasius, who truly is the Saint of our times, was without a doubt one of the most courageous defenders of the Faith in Church history.  He shares many interesting parallels with His late Excellency, Archbishop Lefebvre.  Here is a quote from St. Athanasius that you really should read.  Word for word, it could have been written yesterday:

"May God console you! ... What saddens you ... is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises – but you have the Apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith? The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in the struggle – the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith? True, the premises are good when the Apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way ...

"You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis. No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved Brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.

"Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray. Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."

Awesome quotes. That's going in my signature! well, part of it anyway. you can hve a fishie too.
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