Traditional organizations?
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(11-05-2009, 08:11 AM)damooster Wrote: I never realized it before, but after looking at the map, I see that I pass by St. Athanasius all of the time. I thought that place was a Methodist church so I never glanced at it twice, but I will check it out and report back to you guys. Thanks for all of your help in this thread so far.

As for the community aspect I'm looking for, ImpyTerwilliger hit it right on the head: I'm looking for a community of like-minded people that don't run each other over at the end of Mass because they seem like they can't get out of there fast enough.

Here's my last question, and sorry if it requires a long answer: how is a Mass valid but illicit? Is this the case with St. Athanasius...in other words, would I be fulfilling my Sunday obligation if I attended Mass there?

Damooster,

I would exhaust your licit, diocesan options before resorting to an illicit Mass said by a priest who is in open disobedience to his bishop and to the bishop in whose diocese he resides (this, in itself, is a cause for grave scandal).  I urge you to go to St. John the Beloved in McLean and talk to Fr. Scalia about this.  When I was discerning a vocation to the priesthood, the FSSP was the only organization he was comfortable recommending to me.  That should tell you something about his traditionalist leanings.  He is no modernist, I assure you.  Also, the pastor emeritus, Fr. McAfee, has given retreats to FSSP seminarians in Nebraska, so he is clearly a friend of Tradition as well.

Resorting to an "independent" priest (there really is no such thing in canon law) is a spiritual gamble, in my opinion.  You do not want to go to your judgment and have Christ ask you why you didn't go to His legitimate and licit priests through whom He provided you the traditional Latin Mass.  Obedience is an important (yet oft forgotten) virtue.  I would be more sympathetic if there were no TLMs available in Arlington and if there were a dearth of orthodox priests, but that is not the case.  Do not gamble with your soul.  For safety's sake, remain within the bounds of legitimate Church authority until you have exhausted all options and you have been assured that there are no legitimate priests around who hold the Catholic Faith.

To answer your specific question, a Mass can be valid but illicit if it is said by a validly ordained priest who has no celelebret (i.e. no permission from the local ordinary to say a public Mass).  To give an analogy, Orthodox priests may confect the Blessed Sacrament validly, but they do not do so licitly because they are in schism with the legitimate authority of the Roman Pontiff.
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Traditional organizations? - by damooster - 11-04-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:08 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-04-2009, 07:48 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-04-2009, 07:51 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by damooster - 11-04-2009, 10:02 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by petrelton - 11-04-2009, 11:27 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 11:32 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by petrelton - 11-04-2009, 11:55 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by Scipio_a - 11-05-2009, 12:16 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by petrelton - 11-05-2009, 12:34 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by nsper7 - 11-05-2009, 01:05 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by glgas - 11-05-2009, 05:51 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by petrelton - 11-05-2009, 07:38 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by damooster - 11-05-2009, 08:11 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by glgas - 11-05-2009, 08:51 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by Historian - 11-05-2009, 09:19 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by Oldavid - 11-05-2009, 09:54 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by Oldavid - 11-05-2009, 10:57 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by Oldavid - 11-05-2009, 11:15 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 12:10 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 12:49 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 01:35 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 01:45 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 01:58 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 02:00 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 02:14 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 02:25 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 02:39 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 03:03 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 03:31 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 03:47 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 03:59 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 04:11 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 04:17 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 04:21 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 04:26 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 04:42 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by glgas - 11-05-2009, 05:35 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 05:51 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by damooster - 11-05-2009, 08:08 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by petrelton - 11-05-2009, 08:52 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-06-2009, 12:59 PM



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