Traditional organizations?
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(11-05-2009, 01:45 PM)rbjmartin Wrote:
(11-05-2009, 01:35 PM)RRR Wrote:
(11-05-2009, 12:49 PM)rbjmartin Wrote: Obedience is an important (yet oft forgotten) virtue.

Obedience to who? Pope Paul IV's bull Cum ex Apostolatus Officio states if someone who's not Catholic (ie: heretic) is chosen to take office, he can't. Canon Law states “Through tacit resignation, accepted by the law itself, all offices become vacant ipso facto and without any declaration if a cleric: ...n.4. Has publicly forsaken the Catholic Faith. No one, unless he profess the Catholic Faith, can hold any office — that is, lay valid claim to authority in the Catholic Church.”

Obedience to someone like "Cardinal" Mahony is not a virtue. He is a heretic. He is neither a cardinal nor the archbishop of Los Angeles. The See of Los Angeles has been vacant for quite some time.

You can have him as your confessor because heresy does not cause loss of Holy Orders, but I would not recommend going to confession to Mahony because he would declare many of your sins as not being sinful.

You are setting up a straw man.  I'm not talking about Cardinal Mahoney. 

Not a strawman. Not everyone posting here is in the Diocese of Arlington. The See of Rochester, NY has been vacant for a long while. I have not researched Loverde, but if he is a heretic, there's another see vacant. Too many sees are vacant because heresy is so widespread. Mahony is not the only heretical man claiming a see.
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Traditional organizations? - by damooster - 11-04-2009, 06:57 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by nsper7 - 11-04-2009, 07:08 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-04-2009, 07:48 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-04-2009, 07:51 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by damooster - 11-04-2009, 10:02 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by petrelton - 11-04-2009, 11:27 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by jovan66102 - 11-04-2009, 11:32 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by petrelton - 11-04-2009, 11:55 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by Scipio_a - 11-05-2009, 12:16 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by petrelton - 11-05-2009, 12:34 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by nsper7 - 11-05-2009, 01:05 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by glgas - 11-05-2009, 05:51 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by petrelton - 11-05-2009, 07:38 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by damooster - 11-05-2009, 08:11 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by glgas - 11-05-2009, 08:51 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by Historian - 11-05-2009, 09:19 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by Oldavid - 11-05-2009, 09:54 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by Oldavid - 11-05-2009, 10:57 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by Oldavid - 11-05-2009, 11:15 AM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 12:10 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 12:49 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 01:35 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 01:45 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 01:58 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 02:00 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 02:14 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 02:25 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 02:39 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 03:03 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 03:31 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 03:47 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 03:59 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 04:11 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 04:17 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 04:21 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-05-2009, 04:26 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 04:42 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by glgas - 11-05-2009, 05:35 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by RRR - 11-05-2009, 05:51 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by damooster - 11-05-2009, 08:08 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by petrelton - 11-05-2009, 08:52 PM
Re: Traditional organizations? - by rbjmartin - 11-06-2009, 12:59 PM



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