Does It Really Say That in the Talmud?
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It seems to me that this site http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html may answer your question to some degree.

In general it is worthwhile to realise that the Talmud covers about 800 years, while Jesus' life was only 33 years. Besides that most of the rabbis at the time he is suggested to have lived were themselves in hiding from Romans, or in the case of those with official positions, trying not to stir things up after the destruction of the Second Temple. Most had either relocated to Yavne or moved to Northern parts of the now-Roman province. The Jerusalem Talmud contributors found it harder and harder to continue adding to it, and much of the material used by Jews for the past 1500 years came from the sources gathered in the Babylonian academies.

Besides all this, Yeshu was a relatively common name at the time. It is commonly rendered Jose in English academic sources, and I count 55 contributors to the Babylonian Talmud with that name, with one being a diminutive for Yosef. If the name of the father is omitted (e.g. Jose ben Kifar), it was done probably so as not to embarrass the family at the time. Therefore identifying which individual the Talmud refers to, or even its one or several individuals, is almost impossible.

It seems to me that for the orthodox Jews the Talmud has equal sanctity to the Torah since it is there that most of the commandments are debated and defined. However, many passages will not offer much meaningful information if translated with a dictionary and without any knowledge of other background material or how the language and exegesis works. The Talmud does not lend itself to translation in the same way Greek or Latin texts do because it was redacted for a different purpose. This is commonly pointed out to students in university courses since many, having found success in Greek and Latin courses, try to approach Talmudic texts with same methodology.

How could Jesus be an anti-Semite if he was urging Jews to be more observant in their religion at the time of Hellenist pagan cults rising up all over? If anything, he would have been a Pharasee, and called an ultraorthodox Jew today.

The Talmud is most definitely anti-Christian, but it seems to me that this needs to be seen in the context of the times. Wasn't so long ago that there was Calvinism and wars between Catholics and Protestants also. In the 1st century Christians were a small sect of Greek-speaking Jews that were advocating not practising their religion. Wasn't so long ago that people were excommunicated from the Catholic church for suggesting Mass should be said in the vernacular rather than Latin :)

I had a copy of The Talmud Unmasked and showed it to a Jewish (Reform) post-grad some years ago. He took me over to a set of Babylonian Talmud at the uni library and we went through about 4-5 pages looking up passages. Most were mistranslated to various degrees, all were completely taken out of context.
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Does It Really Say That in the Talmud? - by JonW - 11-15-2009, 05:48 AM
Re: Does It Really Say That in the Talmud? - by tg315 - 11-16-2009, 02:32 AM



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