The Church fathers on women
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A word about Tertullian. He used to be an orthodox Catholic who preached wonderfully, but he defected. He became a heretic, a Manichaean, I think (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). When using virulent quotes from him, one would do well to note whether he made the remark before or after his defection. One of the books I read on Church history claims that Tertullian's remarks about women that feminists love to quote came from his heretical period and can therefore be dismissed.

St. Augustine is a mixed bag. A while back Vox posted a lovely article about his views on women, which were rather more complex than this quote indicates -- perhaps someone knows where to find it? A feminist he was not, but neither was he a misogynist.
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Re: The Church fathers on women - by JayneK - 02-16-2010, 04:39 PM
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Re: The Church fathers on women - by INPEFESS - 02-16-2010, 05:37 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by Historian - 02-16-2010, 06:27 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by Scipio_a - 02-16-2010, 06:31 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by Scipio_a - 02-16-2010, 06:41 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by JayneK - 02-16-2010, 06:52 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by JayneK - 02-16-2010, 07:12 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by James02 - 02-16-2010, 07:52 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by Mommie2Boys - 02-16-2010, 08:36 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by James02 - 02-16-2010, 09:39 PM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by Historian - 02-17-2010, 09:51 AM
Re: The Church fathers on women - by JayneK - 02-21-2010, 04:47 PM
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