Divine Mercy Sunday
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(04-12-2010, 03:58 PM)JamieF Wrote:
(03-31-2010, 01:17 AM)QuisUtDeus Wrote:
(03-30-2010, 11:04 AM)amasimp Wrote: A lot of trads are against the Divine Mercy devotion for a few reasons:

I'm not attributing these to you, but I think a few of those reasons are goofy:

Quote:1.  The seeming replacement of the Octave Sunday of Easter with a Sunday celebration dictated by a private revelation

This one is the only compelling one.  But, it is not insurmountable.  The Church dictates holy days, days of obligation, etc.  It is within her capacity to add anything at any time, and she certainly has.  It certainly makes one wonder about the veracity of the revelation, but it's not like it's a sign of the Antichrist for the Church to change the liturgical calendar even during Easter; it's happened in history.  What's different is that this is a private revelation that could conflict with the traditional and rightful honor given to Easter.  But, it doesn't have to.  It could be folded into the Paschal Celebration eventually as honoring the Mercy of Christ given to us via His Sacrifice on the Cross.

Quote:2.  St. Faustina's diary used to be on the Index of Forbidden Books

So was poem of the Man-God which was recommended by the SSPX at one point.  Also, St. Joan of Arc was once an heretic.  The index and excommunication are not infallible.   Popes can add and remove books and also adjudicate and remit excommunications as they see fit and it is temporally binding even if it is incorrect.  When they say it is out, it is out.  When they say it is OK, it is OK at least in the general sense.  Of course, we shouldn't commit sins against conscience if we think something to be wrong; but at the same time, we should be really careful if we want to convince others it is wrong.

Quote:3.  The devotion was promulgated by JPII so it has a "guilt by association" impression attached to it.

That's just contrarianism.  JP2 also said no women priests, so from "guilt by association" all trads should join womynpriests.

And there's nothing for anyone to be against anyhow.  It was a private revelation and not binding.  If one doesn't believe, well, OK.  'nuff said.  I won't argue for them to believe.  I won't even argue for someone to believe in Fatima, and I believe wholeheartedly in that.  I'll just put the information in front of them and ask them to consider it.

In your third point you are not being intellectually honest.  The original quote about guilt by association doesn't mean "if JPII says X, then Y is true" - it means "If JPII says X, then we must check it against tradition".    Women priests does not hold up against tradition.

Yes, that is indeed what I meant.
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Divine Mercy Sunday - by Petertherock - 03-29-2010, 06:15 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by mike6240 - 03-29-2010, 07:33 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by trident59 - 03-29-2010, 07:56 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-29-2010, 08:28 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-29-2010, 10:24 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-29-2010, 10:57 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-30-2010, 02:28 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-30-2010, 02:33 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Iuvenalis - 03-30-2010, 02:36 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by The_Harlequin_King - 03-30-2010, 04:29 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by glgas - 03-30-2010, 06:23 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by amasimp - 03-30-2010, 11:04 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by cunctas_haereses - 03-30-2010, 11:11 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Petertherock - 03-30-2010, 12:06 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-30-2010, 12:20 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SCG - 03-30-2010, 12:49 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SCG - 03-30-2010, 01:08 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Baskerville - 03-31-2010, 12:47 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Baskerville - 03-31-2010, 12:56 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 01:03 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 01:17 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 10:06 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by amasimp - 03-31-2010, 10:53 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-31-2010, 11:13 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by amasimp - 03-31-2010, 11:18 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-31-2010, 11:21 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by amasimp - 03-31-2010, 11:32 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-31-2010, 11:51 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by mike6240 - 03-31-2010, 01:09 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Petertherock - 03-31-2010, 01:15 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by mike6240 - 03-31-2010, 01:20 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SCG - 03-31-2010, 01:28 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SCG - 03-31-2010, 01:34 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by amasimp - 03-31-2010, 01:38 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SCG - 03-31-2010, 01:49 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SCG - 03-31-2010, 02:02 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-31-2010, 02:18 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by mike6240 - 03-31-2010, 02:24 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 03:00 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 03:04 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SCG - 03-31-2010, 05:03 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Baskerville - 03-31-2010, 05:21 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Baskerville - 03-31-2010, 05:23 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-31-2010, 05:25 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by DrBombay - 03-31-2010, 05:51 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 05:53 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-31-2010, 06:14 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 06:18 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by The_Harlequin_King - 03-31-2010, 06:28 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Baskerville - 03-31-2010, 06:31 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-31-2010, 06:34 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by The_Harlequin_King - 03-31-2010, 06:41 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-31-2010, 06:51 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 07:29 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SCG - 03-31-2010, 07:31 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 07:36 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-31-2010, 07:38 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SCG - 03-31-2010, 07:43 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SCG - 03-31-2010, 07:48 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 08:09 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 03-31-2010, 08:25 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 08:31 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by kimbaichan - 03-31-2010, 10:15 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 10:17 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 03-31-2010, 10:41 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 04-01-2010, 10:17 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Baskerville - 04-01-2010, 10:30 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by kimbaichan - 04-01-2010, 11:02 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Petertherock - 04-11-2010, 02:49 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Spooky - 04-11-2010, 10:22 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by SaintSebastian - 04-11-2010, 10:50 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 04-12-2010, 12:13 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 04-12-2010, 12:24 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by James02 - 04-12-2010, 12:59 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Walty - 04-12-2010, 01:37 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 04-12-2010, 05:56 AM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by RalphKramden - 04-12-2010, 01:27 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by franklinf - 04-12-2010, 03:06 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by JamieF - 04-12-2010, 03:58 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by amasimp - 04-12-2010, 04:07 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 04-12-2010, 04:48 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Petertherock - 04-12-2010, 05:01 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by In nomine Patris - 04-12-2010, 05:54 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Walty - 04-12-2010, 06:19 PM
Re: Divine Mercy Sunday - by Historian - 04-12-2010, 06:35 PM



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