In Defence of Islam
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(09-15-2010, 07:07 AM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Metalicafan needs some lessons in  history
the Aztec were defeated primarily because they're empire was built and sustained by plunder And slavery. Cortez had the insight after first engaging the Aztecs and narrowly escaping wiith his and his troops lives (some were killed)  to rather then  attack head on to forge alliances with the azteC enemies which were every tribe under Aztec oppresion.  Prior to Cortez and prior to even barnal Diaz 2 catholic priiests were  ship wrecked and were living as Maya amongst the Maya in the yocutan. (one was made a slave the other a local petty prince due to marriege) they were living there  for close to 15 years or so.  Some Maya were Under  aztec  oppression some weren't  all were resentfull. when the Spanish landed (after some initial engagements with hostile Maya)  they were quickly pointed toward the direction of one of these priests. This priest  knew  Maya and Spanish hence Cortez was able to communicate and realize the Maya hated the Aztecs.  he was given a Maya princess who was actually a slave to the Aztecs. She new Maya and new nauutle (Aztec) she also  learned Spanish. Her name we know as la minche. She also could speak other  Indian languages from the central hghlands. The Spanish forged alliances with the Indians who were under mexica (Aztec servitude) through her. and thus were able to conquer the Aztecs. The aztecs though  brave were no match for Spanish weaponry. The Aztecs had no metal weapons no horses  and only possesed the wheel as a childeens toy. They did have obsidian which is sharper then steel but breaks upon impact against it thus muting it's cutting capability. The Aztecs were also no match in  strategy. The Spanish that came as reinforcements and most onthe first expedition were hardenend conquistadors from the reconquesta. Tenochtitlan (Mexico city) though at first seemedto be solidly impenitrible havng been bult in te middle of a lake had a fatal flaw. It's water source was outsize the city. Once the Spanish descovered this they laid side and it was just a matter of rme before th final battle between the Spanish maybe nmbering 400 (maybe it's been awhile since my mesoamaeican  history courses) and thousands and thousands upon housands of Indians tha rose against the  vile aztecs. The Aztecs were doomed the minute Cortez could speak with the Mayan who could speak with hebother subjugated tribes
hardly thebpicture leftist scum paint of Spanish bloodletting and Christian bloodletting
the destruction o the satanic Aztec empire was a good thing. And here's the clincher
most azecs didn't  convert from  or emperiIal  policy. Actually few converted untill  our  lady of guadalape appeared o don Juan
the mexica were not forcably converted
now forhe oft said Spanish bloodletting compared to whom they conquered th is a bald face lie. Temple mayor the  major Aztec temple (the first one still survives  beside the cathederal which was built ontop of montcezumas palace) had thousands of human sacrifices a day. U can still see where the heads would land after being rolled down the steps. The Spanish put an end to this
period
If you want to debate the massacres of the Spanish, fine, but do it some where else. No where did I say the Aztec and like minded peoples were good in any way. I simply said that the actions of the Spanish were appaling and horrific - and if they did it in the name of God that makes it even worse, not better.

(09-15-2010, 07:07 AM)devotedknuckles Wrote: as for mohamadans worshipping th moon deity it s not vert but mohamadanism is abfusion of judiasm wi some Christian principles and ancent Arabian moon dirty worship (the kaba is abgood example of this)
Incorrect again. Mohammad actually said such idols and God's like the Moon God was blasphemy and sacrilege. The reason Muslims face Mecca when praying is due to the tradition Mohammad practiced in facing the first Mosque. The Kaba was traditionally said to be built by Abraham, thus a divine structure. That's why, when Mohammad returned to Mecca he smashed every idol inside and cleaned its walls except for the image of Jesus and Mary.

(09-15-2010, 07:07 AM)devotedknuckles Wrote: as for Christianity being a non violent hippie love fest
this is simple not true and complelty false. I strongly recomend  the writiings  of st Bernard of clairvaux. Last father of the church. Doctor of the church. Who fused the sword with the cross in establishing catholic military monastic orders. In praise of the new knighthood is a good start
I dont recall saying that, but fact is Jesus was a pacifist. No way you can use a sword against an enemy when he said as plain as day "do not resist an evil person" and "love thy enemy". But again this is for another thread.
 
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In Defence of Islam - by MetallicaFan - 09-13-2010, 10:20 PM
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