Fr. Z poll
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(10-05-2010, 10:41 AM)Bakuryokuso Wrote:
(10-05-2010, 10:19 AM)Azurestone Wrote:
(10-05-2010, 01:10 AM)Bakuryokuso Wrote:
(10-04-2010, 09:30 PM)Azurestone Wrote:
(10-04-2010, 08:32 PM)glgas Wrote:
(10-04-2010, 07:28 PM)Augstine Baker Wrote: Also, SSPX priests work harder and are more conscientious than any NO priest I've ever known, perhaps with a few exceptions.   I'd say one SSPX priest is worth 1,000 Novus Ordo types, from years of observation and having had the misfortune of meeting and getting to know more than I would have ever wanted to.

How many confessions are heard by and SSPX priest?  The priest who regularly celebrate New mass in my Church are able to hear about 20 confessions before and during the Mass. Is it possible that an SSPX priest validly absolves 20,000 penitent within an hour? What about taking the viaticum to the ones in the deathbed?  Or to connect people to God? The very liberal pastor in my territorial parish serves 12000 registered Catholics (4500 families) and in an average weekend close to 3000 attend Mass. Does every  SSPX priest serve 3 million people in every Sunday? (Fellay estimated the number of SSPC followers worldwide max 600,000) .

How many people make confession, how many people attend Mass in an average Sunday an SSPX parish?

It's my guess he's aiming at quality of work, not the quanity of work.

Each valid absolution and eucharist has a definite value, so releasing a person from mortal sin in the name of the church and providing them with the body of Christ can't really be measured in quality.

Sure it can. Did those people receive a solid counseling in their confession, or were they immediately absolved and left to recommit their sins in their same cycle. Confession is more than absolution. If it was not, I can merely stay at home and ask God for forgiveness. Confession is for the sinner to receive advice and guidance (treatment from the doctor) for their continued sins (illness) so they may gain the sight and will to break the cycle and become holy (be cured of their fallen nature).

An error that St. Pius X condemned in the Syllabus of Errors: "The words of the Lord, "Receive the Holy Spirit; whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained" (John 20:22-23), in no way refer to the Sacrament of Penance, in spite of what it pleased the Fathers of Trent to say."

So wow, not sure why you mention staying home and asking God for forgiveness when the Catholic church requires mortal sins to be absolved thru the sacrament of penance.

I do see what you mean - it'd be a terrible thing if any priest is instilling in the faithful a lack of true contrition (required for penance) thru bad advice in the confessional.

But every validly ordained priest can remit the eternal punishment sue for mortal sin thru absolution, so I still think it'd be hard to argue that a NO who enables 1,000 NO parishioners to avoid hellfire thru absolution is equal to 1 SSPX priest who absolves 1 SSPX parishioner...

I'm getting fantastic confessional advice from NO priests but it's not like it's a counseling session either. We often have line ups for confession at our Basilica so they don't have time to do spiritual direction or anything like that. I've gone to confession dozens of times this year and have never heard any priest contradict the magisterium. I still think the main purpose is to absolve sins, not provide advice.

For perspective, I'll admit I personally believe in the need for the priest to provide spiritual direction, as well as absolution. Something that has become lost with too many families in a parish lining up behind a booth.

Therefore, I'm not advocating staying at home and praying to God. Quite the opposite. My point is, lack of direction, i.e. attention by the priest to the faithful's sins, will permit the faithful in a spiraling repeat of their sins. For a person cannot be their own doctor, and neither can they be expected to fix their own sins, because the sinner can often talk/reason their sins, assuming they recognize them at all.

So yes, getting an appointment for confession should be something everyone should do, at least every so often.
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Fr. Z poll - by Petertherock - 09-24-2010, 03:08 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Vivace - 09-24-2010, 03:14 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by 3Sanctus - 09-24-2010, 03:18 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Stephanos - 09-24-2010, 03:19 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by cgraye - 09-24-2010, 03:36 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Robert De Brus - 09-24-2010, 04:06 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Petertherock - 09-24-2010, 04:42 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Augstine Baker - 09-24-2010, 08:25 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by glgas - 09-24-2010, 09:36 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Augstine Baker - 09-24-2010, 10:07 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Augstine Baker - 09-24-2010, 11:04 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Augstine Baker - 09-24-2010, 11:35 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Petertherock - 09-25-2010, 02:52 AM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Historian - 09-25-2010, 03:19 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Hawaii Five-0 - 09-25-2010, 04:24 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by glgas - 09-25-2010, 06:26 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Petertherock - 09-25-2010, 11:48 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by glgas - 09-25-2010, 12:08 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Petertherock - 09-25-2010, 12:24 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Resurrexi - 09-25-2010, 12:41 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Petertherock - 09-25-2010, 12:51 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Gerard - 09-25-2010, 01:24 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Augstine Baker - 09-25-2010, 01:45 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Petertherock - 09-25-2010, 02:16 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by WhollyRoaminCatholic - 09-25-2010, 02:23 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Augstine Baker - 09-25-2010, 02:32 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Revixit - 09-26-2010, 03:26 AM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by glgas - 09-26-2010, 06:57 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-26-2010, 10:07 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Revixit - 09-26-2010, 10:36 AM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Gerard - 09-26-2010, 10:40 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-26-2010, 10:49 AM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by glgas - 09-26-2010, 12:26 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Unum Sint - 09-26-2010, 12:29 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Cetil - 09-26-2010, 12:36 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Unum Sint - 09-26-2010, 12:39 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by timoose - 09-26-2010, 12:52 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Unum Sint - 09-26-2010, 01:03 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by timoose - 09-26-2010, 02:50 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by WhollyRoaminCatholic - 09-26-2010, 02:54 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Cetil - 09-26-2010, 03:13 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-26-2010, 03:20 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-26-2010, 03:35 PM
Re: Why Fr. Z is not Catholic - by Augstine Baker - 09-26-2010, 04:03 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by glgas - 09-26-2010, 04:10 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-26-2010, 04:21 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by glgas - 09-26-2010, 06:01 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-26-2010, 09:31 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Resurrexi - 09-27-2010, 12:20 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by glgas - 09-27-2010, 05:22 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-27-2010, 09:26 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by LatinGuy - 09-27-2010, 10:37 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-27-2010, 10:50 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Scipio_a - 09-27-2010, 10:54 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-27-2010, 11:02 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Scipio_a - 09-27-2010, 11:06 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-27-2010, 11:08 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Revixit - 09-27-2010, 08:42 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-27-2010, 10:07 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Revixit - 09-28-2010, 08:02 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by LatinGuy - 09-28-2010, 09:31 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Scipio_a - 09-28-2010, 09:58 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Scipio_a - 09-28-2010, 09:59 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 09-28-2010, 10:40 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Historian - 10-02-2010, 10:37 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by timoose - 10-03-2010, 12:31 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by LatinGuy - 10-03-2010, 12:56 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 10-03-2010, 05:35 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Historian - 10-04-2010, 04:51 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by LatinGuy - 10-04-2010, 10:43 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 10-04-2010, 02:00 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 10-04-2010, 02:07 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by LatinGuy - 10-04-2010, 02:29 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Augstine Baker - 10-04-2010, 07:28 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by glgas - 10-04-2010, 08:32 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Azurestone - 10-04-2010, 09:30 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Bakuryokuso - 10-05-2010, 01:10 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Azurestone - 10-05-2010, 10:19 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by LatinGuy - 10-05-2010, 10:34 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Bakuryokuso - 10-05-2010, 10:41 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Bakuryokuso - 10-05-2010, 10:43 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by LatinGuy - 10-05-2010, 10:56 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Azurestone - 10-05-2010, 11:52 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Bakuryokuso - 10-05-2010, 11:59 AM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Bakuryokuso - 10-05-2010, 12:01 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by LatinGuy - 10-05-2010, 12:10 PM
Re: Fr. Z poll - by Azurestone - 10-05-2010, 12:23 PM



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