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(10-18-2010, 01:11 AM)moneil Wrote: When spasiisochrani spoke of The Church, I’m presuming he wasn’t referring to Novus Ordo parishes.  In fact, parishes are not where these things are decided, whether Novus Ordo or traditional, whether pre or post VII.  These questions, definitions, and decisions are reserved to the Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Church embodied in the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops, as successors to the Apostles, for it was to these that Our Lord said: ” whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven” (St. Matthew 18:18).

There is an important distinction between the infallible magisterium which the Church exercises in defining dogmas and the all too fallible disciplinary decisions that different ecclesiastical authorities make.  Not requiring converts from Eastern Orthodoxy to make an abjuration of heresy and a general confession would definitely be an instance of the latter.

(10-18-2010, 01:11 AM)moneil Wrote: We have had, shall we say, spirited discussions of the Orthodox here before, but I am not aware of any pre Vatican II popes reefing to them as heretics. 

It doesn't matter whether the Eastern Orthodox have been specifically labeled heretics by a pope; if a person meets the critera for a heretic (that is, he obstinately denies a truth that must be beleved with the divine and Catholic faith), he is a heretic, regardless of whether the pope refers to him by that description or not.

(10-18-2010, 01:11 AM)moneil Wrote: I doubt the Holy Father would be inviting heretics to study at the Vatican.

Why do you doubt that? There have been plenty of heretics invited to study at the Vatican after the Council, so why couldn't such a thing be possible before the Council?

(10-18-2010, 01:11 AM)moneil Wrote: Again, I have not read of the pre VII pontiffs referring to heretics as those brethren and sons of Ours (some decidedly stronger language is often used).  Nor has The Church, to my knowledge, spoken of heretics rendering sincere service to Christ Our Lord, showing great piety and love towards His sinless Mother, or making devout use of the Sacraments.

I am fairly certain that the Nestorians and Monophysites,  whose heresy no-one denies, also did all these things.
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Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:17 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 10-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:27 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 10-17-2010, 06:28 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:43 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by spasiisochrani - 10-17-2010, 07:50 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 09:53 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by SaintSebastian - 10-17-2010, 10:27 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 11:19 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by moneil - 10-18-2010, 01:11 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 01:46 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by moneil - 10-18-2010, 02:27 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by SaintSebastian - 10-18-2010, 09:49 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 07:31 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 07:44 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Robert De Brus - 10-18-2010, 08:16 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by kevinchaapel - 11-08-2010, 06:27 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Mixolydian - 11-17-2010, 12:54 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 03:39 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 11-17-2010, 04:12 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 04:21 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by 3Sanctus - 11-17-2010, 04:45 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 11-17-2010, 07:50 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 08:44 PM



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