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(10-18-2010, 01:46 AM)Resurrexi Wrote: There is an important distinction between the infallible magisterium which the Church exercises in defining dogmas and the all too fallible disciplinary decisions that different ecclesiastical authorities make.  Not requiring converts from Eastern Orthodoxy to make an abjuration of heresy and a general confession would definitely be an instance of the latter.

Hmmm, well, that’s your opinion.  I’ll stick with what the Magisterium, especially the disciplines of the pre VII Magisterium, has determined as appropriate , as fallible as that may turn out to be, over the opinions of random laity.  Also, there is a whole body of Church teaching regarding a faithful Catholic’s allegiance to the rightful authority of The Church, whether the particular circumstance involves “dogma defining infallibility” or mere “disciplinary decisions”.  We are not a “make our own individual interpretations or rules” kind’a Church – if you want that, the First Unitarian is down the street.

(10-18-2010, 01:46 AM)Resurrexi Wrote: It doesn't matter whether the Eastern Orthodox have been specifically labeled heretics by a pope; if a person meets the critera for a heretic (that is, he obstinately denies a truth that must be beleved with the divine and Catholic faith), he is a heretic, regardless of whether the pope refers to him by that description or not.

Ummm, again, your personal opinion and interpretation of how the Church defines the criteria of heresy.  It does matter though, what the Vicar of Christ “labels” ~ that is the role Our Lord has given him (not you, me, or any other mortal).  Interestingly, it would have been this “disciplinary as opposed to dogma defining Magisterium” that established the criteria for heresy in the first place.  I’ll leave it to them to implement it, as Our Lord intended, thank you very much.

(10-18-2010, 01:46 AM)Resurrexi Wrote:
(10-18-2010, 01:11 AM)moneil Wrote: I doubt the Holy Father would be inviting heretics to study at the Vatican.

Why do you doubt that? There have been plenty of heretics invited to study at the Vatican after the Council, so why couldn't such a thing be possible before the Council?

Ummm, because the pre VII Pontiffs were more orthodox and faithful to The Church’s tradition is such matters, I would think.  Unless you can provide some documentation (from papal sources, as I have) that Martin Luther, or John Calvin, or their adherents, or Islamic or Jewish scholars, or any other non-Catholic adherents were welcomed to receive doctorates at Vatican Institutes of higher education, I stand by my observation that the Orthodox were held in a particularly special esteem by The Church, not afforded to any other non-Catholic.
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Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:17 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 10-17-2010, 06:21 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:27 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 10-17-2010, 06:28 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 06:43 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by spasiisochrani - 10-17-2010, 07:50 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 09:53 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by SaintSebastian - 10-17-2010, 10:27 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-17-2010, 11:19 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by moneil - 10-18-2010, 01:11 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 01:46 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by moneil - 10-18-2010, 02:27 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by SaintSebastian - 10-18-2010, 09:49 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 07:31 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Resurrexi - 10-18-2010, 07:44 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Robert De Brus - 10-18-2010, 08:16 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by kevinchaapel - 11-08-2010, 06:27 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Mixolydian - 11-17-2010, 12:54 AM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 03:39 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 11-17-2010, 04:12 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 04:21 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by 3Sanctus - 11-17-2010, 04:45 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Vetus Ordo - 11-17-2010, 07:50 PM
Re: Eastern Orthodoxy - by Azurestone - 11-17-2010, 08:44 PM



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