Restore the minor orders!
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(01-19-2011, 05:07 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote: We're talking about singing in the choir and editing bulletins for goodness sake!

Let me offer some clarifications.

On singing in the choir: there are actually two types of choirs for two types of music, at least where the traditional liturgy is concerned. First, you have the Ordinary of the Mass: Kyrie, Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, and Agnus Dei. These can easily be sung by everyone as a congregation, and this is indeed the preferred form. For more complex settings, laymen (and women) can get together to sing the Ordinary in polyphony. This is a lay choir, preferably situated in an organ loft. This is also the most common Catholic practice in the past few centuries.

The other kind is the liturgical or ecclesiastical choir. They should be the only ones to sing the Propers: Introitus, Graduale, Alleluia or Tractus, Offertorium and Communio (the chants that change by the day). This is a liturgical office as much as serving the altar. This sort of choir should be made up only of men vested in choir dress (cassock and surplice), ideally seated in stalls within the sanctuary.

While I think the two functions are ideally kept by the liturgical choir, I'm not opposed to lay choirs (the first type above). I AM opposed to the lay choir being the only one to provide music. In practice, those choirs are dominated by older women, and even in trad churches there's a mentality among some that singing is for girls, serving is for boys. There are few things that could skew the idea of altar service more than that. As I've said before, if I were pastor of a parish, I'd require all my servers to first learn how to sit in the choir stalls, bow at the proper times and sing chant before learning to serve.


On editing bulletins: no, I didn't mean fire all the old ladies literally. I did mean firing them if there was no room on the payroll for an incoming deacon (who's ordained specifically to the task of administering God's church), and giving preference to minor orders before laywomen, or even laymen.


Finally, back to the choirs, here's a citation from Pius X's Tra le sollecitudini to show I'm not just making this up:

Pius X, Tra le sollecitudini Wrote:V. The singers
12. With the exception of the melodies proper to the celebrant at the altar and to the ministers, which must be always sung in Gregorian Chant, and without accompaniment of the organ, all the rest of the liturgical chant belongs to the choir of levites, and, therefore, singers in the church, even when they are laymen, are really taking the place of the ecclesiastical choir. Hence the music rendered by them must, at least for the greater part, retain the character of choral music.
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Restore the minor orders! - by The_Harlequin_King - 12-29-2010, 04:21 AM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Stubborn - 12-29-2010, 07:00 AM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Bakuryokuso - 12-29-2010, 11:53 AM
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Re: Restore the minor orders! - by moneil - 12-30-2010, 11:26 PM
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Re: Restore the minor orders! - by SCG - 01-19-2011, 02:31 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Vetus Ordo - 01-19-2011, 02:33 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Vetus Ordo - 01-19-2011, 02:38 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by spasiisochrani - 01-19-2011, 03:47 PM
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Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Anthem - 01-19-2011, 04:14 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by SCG - 01-19-2011, 04:40 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Anthem - 01-19-2011, 05:00 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Iuvenalis - 01-19-2011, 05:04 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Iuvenalis - 01-19-2011, 05:05 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by SCG - 01-19-2011, 05:07 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by SCG - 01-19-2011, 05:07 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Anthem - 01-19-2011, 05:25 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by The_Harlequin_King - 01-19-2011, 05:26 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by SCG - 01-19-2011, 05:30 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Anthem - 01-19-2011, 05:32 PM
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Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Anthem - 01-19-2011, 06:00 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by SCG - 01-19-2011, 06:19 PM
Re: Restore the minor orders! - by Vetus Ordo - 01-19-2011, 07:19 PM
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Re: Restore the minor orders! - by SCG - 01-20-2011, 04:49 PM
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