There is No Such Thing as a Homosexual Catholic Priest
(02-22-2011, 03:17 AM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: Why does it matter the definition of effeminate? Right after it condemns men lieing with men.

That would be a good question for CJ, don't you think?  I mean, after all, he's digging in his heels in the face of Catholic interpretation.

But, I will tell you why it matters in this discussion, at least for me.  In the first post, CJ said this:

Quote:Follow carefully.  St. Paul does not write "people who commit homosexual acts."  He says, "homosexuals."  He uses that as an identity.  Such WERE some of you... but you were sanctified..."  You are no longer homosexual anymore than the forgiven adulterer is still an adulterer or Saul who became Paul is still a persecutor of Christians.  What saith the Word of the Lord?

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.  II Corinthians 5:17

The cornerstone of his argument is based on a Protestant translation and interpretation of Scripture.  He claims that St. Paul is calling them, literally, homosexuals in an anthropological identity.

He can't live with "liers with men" since that obviously goes to an action that is sinful.  He has to have homosexuals in the Scripture or referring to it does nothing for his argument.

A "lier with men" doesn't have to be homosexual in the sense of identity.  As I stated before, someone could prostitute themselves to other men just for money, not because they like it.  "Lier with men" would cover that.  But he wants to condemn people to hell because they suffer the disorder of same-sex attraction whether they act on it or not.  Remember what he said: a homosexual cannot be a Christian. The only way he can justify that is if St. Paul condemns homosexuals, i.e., people who suffer the disorder of same-sex attraction, which St. Paul does not.  He is condemning a lack of virtue, a virtue need to remain Christian: perseverance.

If he is going to say people who suffer a predisposition to a certain kind of sin cannot be Christian unless they somehow get rid of that predisposition, it opens a hold handbag of heresies and theological problems, not to mention quasi-schism in that he is denying people membership in the Church that have never been denied membership before.

Have you ever heard someone told by the Church they cannot be a Christian for sodomitical acts let alone for having a pre-disposition to that or any other sin? If you have, please provide a citation.  CJ is making up his own religion like Cdl. Mahony did when he said Bishop Williamson could not be a Catholic based on some criteria of his own devising.

He's doing, in a sense, exactly what Luther did.  Grabbing on to his own interpretation of Scripture (which is coincidentally shared by Protestants) and creating a theological novelty from it.
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