54 Answers from Bishop Fellay: the interview
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(02-18-2011, 09:08 PM)kgurries Wrote:   Ok, fair enough -- it's a confusing topic.  What does perfect communion with the Church entail?  Can there be such a thing as partial communion?  I look into those questions here:  http://opuscula.blogspot.com/2011/02/ful...union.html

Let me know if you agree or disagree with any of that.

I disagree with most of that.  There are multiple concepts of  'the Church" imprecisely and confusedly being toggled around.  All without clarifying the constitution of the Church. 

I recommend you take a look at Atila Sinke Guimareas' "Ecclesia"  volume 11 of his collection on Vatican II.  The whole book is a study in the contrasts between the pre-conciliar understanding of the Church with the multitude of notions that can be drawn from the documents of Vatican II due to its lack of precision even in the most traditional sounding documents.  The Holy Father's ideas on "wounds" and "fabric" referring to false religions reminds me of something akin to "the Beast with Five Fingers"  the idea that a member can be separated from the head and still maintain "elements" of itself when it was united to the head.    as if it is independently alive without the head and it's unity. 

At its best, "partial communion' is an imprecise term for "wish for communion."  It has no practical meaning when it comes to the "one, holy and apostolic Church"  One is one, communion is a state of completeness, it's can't be "partial" it is not. 

As Chesterton once remarked about St. Thomas in his book, " Against all this the philosophy of St. Thomas stands founded on the universal common conviction that eggs are eggs. The Hegelian may say that an egg is really a hen, because it is a part of an endless process of Becoming; the Berkeleian may hold that poached eggs only exist as a dream exists; since it is quite as easy to call the dream the cause of the eggs as the eggs the cause of the dream; the Pragmatist may believe
that we get the best out of scrambled eggs by forgetting that they ever were eggs, and only remembering the scramble. But no pupil of St. Thomas needs to addle his brains in order adequately to addle his eggs; to put his head at any peculiar
angle in looking at eggs, or squinting at eggs, or winking the other eye in order to see a new simplification of eggs. The Thomist stands in the broad daylight of the brotherhood of men, in their common consciousness that eggs are not hens
or dreams or mere practical assumptions; but things attested by the Authority of the Senses, which is from God."

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