Voris: The conspiracy
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Voris is a "traditionally minded" neo-con that is, IMO, on the edge of becoming a true trad, he just needs a good push (although that push may not even be enough - because if he aligns himself with true traditionalism, then he will alienate the majority of his neo-con constituency).  He continues to complain about the problems in the Church, very rarely explaining why those problems are there to begin with, and never hitting the nail on the head as to the true cause.  The answer is that it is the Second Vatican Council that has changed the ecclesiastical orientation in the Church by initiating a strange, subverted yet effective "coup d'etat" within the official structure of the Church.  This seizing of power within the Church in the late 1960's allowed the new upper eschalon to enforce their will, which was changing/destroying the Mass of all-time and replacing said Mass with a Protestant form of worship strictly based on Thomas Cramner's previously condemned rite. 

It is Vatican II that is the root cause and the N.O. Mass, which stems from the "spirit of Vatican II" that is the main cause of the symptoms that Voris speaks, that is, the low Mass attendance and the fact that the majority who claim to be "Catholic" deny at least one major doctrine or dogma of the Faith.  Using typical neo-con tactics, he blames every bishop in the world for these problems, sparing the Pope no matter what he says and does (actually, I bet if one of the many bishops he slams for Modernism became the Pope, Voris would quickly forget about said bishop's alignment and continue along the path of "the Pope is a demi-god" that is routine within the neo-con camp).  He says that there is an "open war against Peter," but he fails to recognize that the post-conciliar popes have been the forefront generals of this war, promoting both the new religion of Vatican II and, at limited times, the true religion of Christ, and causing great scandal in the hearts of every Catholic who knows the alignment of the pre-conciliar Church (no Catholic worth his salt can claim that John Paul II's "Assisi Prayer Meetings" were in any shape of form in the true spirit of Catholicism).  This has caused even greater confusion among Catholics, whom the majority have no real idea what the Church really teaches concerning specific topics (i.e. religious liberty, ecumenism, extra ecclesiam nulla salus etc.)  Among the laity, confusion and blind obedience are the debilitating factors of the day.

All in all, when the altars where stripped out of our churches and the Mass of all-time  was subdued and a "banal,on-the-spot production" that is basically the Protestant arch-heretic Cramner's "Mass" was allowed to usurp - OF COURSE Catholics are going to loose the Faith!  This is a no-brainer!  Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi.  At times, Voris may denounce certain "abuses" present in many N.O. Masses throughout the world, but he fails to recognize that it is the faulty foundation of the N.O. Mass itself that allows these abuses to take place.  It is the sacrilegious foundation of the New Mass that causes these problems - it is the holy foundation of the TLM that prevents them.  This is why there have NEVER been these abuses in the TLM, neither before the council or now.  Also, no Protestant has EVER accepted the TLM as acceptable worship - but Protestants all over the world have accepted the New Mass as sufficient worship, claiming that it is now alright for Protestants to worship alongside of Catholics.  This FACT should scream in all of our faces that the TLM and the New Mass are NOT teaching the same Faith, which was astutely observed by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci, claiming that "the New Mass fails to present the Faith as taught by the Council of Trent."  This observation, again, should be a loud call to all who claim the New Mass still teaches Catholicism complete and resolute.  The major reason for this accepting of Protestants is because the New Mass fails to show that a sacrifice is being offered to God, and this is ingrained within the very foundation of the New Mass.  Therefore, it is not the "abuses" of the New Mass that are the problem, but the New Mass itself that is the problem.

Anyway, for those of us who understand this modern crisis for what it really is - we know that the schism has already occurred, regardless of them claiming to be "within" the official structure of the Church.
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Voris: The conspiracy - by Petertherock - 02-18-2011, 05:37 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Historian - 02-18-2011, 05:47 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Gerard - 02-18-2011, 08:47 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by JRPO - 02-20-2011, 12:35 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Historian - 02-20-2011, 12:42 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Bakuryokuso - 02-20-2011, 12:50 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Ravenonthecross - 02-20-2011, 03:34 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Nic - 02-20-2011, 07:03 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by fatiam13 - 02-20-2011, 09:19 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by 3Sanctus - 02-20-2011, 09:24 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Christopher - 02-20-2011, 09:40 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by LaramieHirsch - 02-20-2011, 10:49 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Heinrich - 02-20-2011, 11:32 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by voxpopulisuxx - 02-20-2011, 01:00 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Petertherock - 02-20-2011, 03:37 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by thomas7 - 02-20-2011, 03:42 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by voxpopulisuxx - 02-20-2011, 03:45 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Historian - 02-20-2011, 03:54 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Petertherock - 02-20-2011, 04:04 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by JRPO - 02-20-2011, 08:29 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by JRPO - 02-20-2011, 08:40 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by voxpopulisuxx - 02-20-2011, 11:00 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by pbmsemwa - 02-21-2011, 05:48 AM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Ravenonthecross - 02-21-2011, 01:07 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by JRPO - 02-21-2011, 06:48 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by Ravenonthecross - 02-21-2011, 07:27 PM
Re: Voris: The conspiracy - by JacafamalaRedux - 02-21-2011, 09:14 PM



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