3 Natures in Christ
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Gregory, I agree with much of what you say, but not that there is One Incarnate Nature - not in the language the Church has used after St. Cyril or earlier saints.

AS TO THE REST OF THIS: I'm just quoting the Church.  I'm removing all my own comments from my past post. This has nothing to do with my personal opinions or misunderstandings.  Don't think about me.  Concretely address just what the Councils and Popes say here about the Two Natures of Christ and the Hypostatic Union.
(07-30-2011, 12:10 AM)Doce Me Wrote:
Quote:COUNCIL OF CHALCEDON 451
Ecumenical IV (against the Monophysites)
Definition of the Two Natures of Christ *

DNZ 148 Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all teach that with one accord we confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in human nature, truly God and the same with a rational soul and a body truly man, consubstantial with the Father according to divinity, and consubstantial with us according to human nature, like unto us in all things except sin, [cf. Heb. 4:15]; indeed born of the Father before the ages according to divine nature, but in the last days the same born of the virgin Mary, Mother of God according to human nature; for us and for our deliverance, one and the same Christ only begotten Son, our Lord, acknowledged in two natures,' without mingling, without change, indivisibly, undividedly, the distinction of the natures nowhere removed on account of the union but rather the peculiarity of each nature being kept, and uniting in one person and substance, not divided or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son only begotten God Word, Lord Jesus Christ, just as from the beginning the prophets taught about Him and the Lord Jesus Himself taught us, and the creed of our fathers has handed down to us.

Therefore, since these have been arranged by us with all possible care and diligence, the holy and ecumenical synod has declared that no one is allowed to profess or in any case to write up or to compose or to devise or to teach others a different faith.

Quote:ST. AGATHO 678-681
ROMAN COUNCIL 680
The Hypostatic Union *

[From the dogmatic epistle of Agatho and the Roman
Synod "Omnium bonorum spes" to the Emperors *]

288 We acknowledge (indeed) that one and the same our Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, from two and in two substances subsists, unconfusedly without change, indivisibly, inseparably [see n.148], never the difference of natures destroyed on account of the union, but rather the property of each nature preserved and concurring in one person and in one subsistence; not shared or divided in a duality of persons, nor fused into one composite nature; but we acknowledge, even after the subsistential union, one and the same only begotten Son, the Word God, our Lord Jesus Christ [see n. 148], neither each in a different way, nor the one and the other, but the very same in two natures, that is, in the Godhead and in the humanity, because neither has the Word been changed into the nature of the flesh, nor has the flesh been transformed into the nature of the Word; for each remains what by nature it was; indeed in contemplation alone do we discern a difference of the united natures in that from which unfusedly, inseparably, and incommutably it was composed; for one from both and each through one, because at the same time there arc present both the dignity of the Godhead and the humility of the flesh, each nature, even after the union, preserving without defect its own property, "and each form doing with the mutual participation of the other what it holds as its own (work); the Word doing what is of the Word, and the flesh accomplishing what is of the flesh, the one of which shines forth in miracles, the other subnuts to injuries." * Thus, it follows that as we truly confess that [b]He has two natures or substances, that is, the Godhead and the humanity, unfusedly, indivisibly, incommutably, ]so also He has both two natural wills and two natural operations, since the rule of piety instructs us that perfect God and perfect man is one and the same Lord Jesus Christ [/b]see n. 254-274], because it is shown that the apostolic and evangelical tradition and the teaching of the holy Fathers, whom the holy, apostolic, and Catholic Church and the venerable Synods accept, have taught us this.
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3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 07-19-2011, 01:57 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 07-19-2011, 02:29 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 07-21-2011, 08:16 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by SouthpawLink - 07-21-2011, 10:42 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 07-22-2011, 02:00 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 07-22-2011, 07:06 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 07-22-2011, 08:18 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 07-22-2011, 09:51 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Doce Me - 07-23-2011, 12:31 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 07-23-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 07-24-2011, 05:12 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 07-24-2011, 06:44 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 07-24-2011, 06:56 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 07-24-2011, 07:13 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Doce Me - 07-25-2011, 10:39 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 07-26-2011, 12:18 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 07-26-2011, 12:36 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Doce Me - 07-30-2011, 12:10 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 07-30-2011, 01:12 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Doce Me - 07-30-2011, 11:01 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 07-30-2011, 11:35 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 07-31-2011, 03:28 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 07-31-2011, 03:48 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 07-31-2011, 03:52 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 08-01-2011, 12:12 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-01-2011, 12:42 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 08-01-2011, 01:44 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-01-2011, 01:52 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 08-01-2011, 01:58 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-01-2011, 02:18 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-01-2011, 06:54 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 08-01-2011, 07:26 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-01-2011, 07:58 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 08-01-2011, 08:53 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 08-02-2011, 12:11 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-02-2011, 12:17 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 08-02-2011, 12:24 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-02-2011, 02:42 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 08-02-2011, 03:10 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-02-2011, 03:31 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-02-2011, 04:42 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-02-2011, 07:35 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 08-02-2011, 08:28 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-02-2011, 08:48 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-02-2011, 10:54 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-03-2011, 12:52 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 08-03-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-03-2011, 01:19 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-03-2011, 01:53 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-03-2011, 06:26 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-03-2011, 06:29 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 08-03-2011, 07:26 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-03-2011, 07:30 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-03-2011, 07:33 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-03-2011, 07:54 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Doce Me - 08-03-2011, 09:08 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-03-2011, 10:50 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 08-03-2011, 11:28 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-03-2011, 11:38 PM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by UnamSanctam - 08-04-2011, 12:11 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 01:38 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-04-2011, 01:44 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 01:51 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Gregory I - 08-04-2011, 01:56 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-04-2011, 02:07 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 02:12 AM
Re: 3 Natures in Christ - by Walty - 08-04-2011, 02:18 AM
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