Pacifism
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(08-04-2011, 08:03 PM)INPEFESS Wrote:
(08-04-2011, 06:17 PM)wulfrano Wrote:
(08-04-2011, 06:00 PM)K3vinhood Wrote: I'm no pacifist, but in discussing this topic I find that many seem to think that pacifism is Christian and that killing in all situations is against Christ's commandments.

Mainly pacifists cite the words of Christ:
Quote:And Jesus said: Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness. Matthew 19:18

Then Jesus saith to him: Put up again thy sword into its place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52

I really don't know how to counter this argument.



I bring up points of self-defense and protection as well as stopping evil causes that destroy the faith, but pacifists always seem to come back to this.

St. Augustine and his Bellum iustum (Just War) helps if you're trying to debate whether a war is just or not, but if a person doesn't think any war is just it doesn't help at all.

I guess I'm looking for some biblical evidence or writings from the fathers which allow for killing in certain situations.

I have a feeling this is a lot easier to find then I think, I just have no experience with this issue.

:shrug:


King Salomon says that there is a time for peace and that there is a time for war.  When the goddamned muslims . . .

Do not use that word, even if you don't actually intend what it intends by its meaning. It invokes the name of God in vain to curse human beings.

You call muslims human beings?  They are butchering christians worldwide.
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Pacifism - by K3vinhood - 08-04-2011, 06:00 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 06:17 PM
Re: Pacifism - by matthew_talbot - 08-04-2011, 07:45 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-04-2011, 08:03 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 08:09 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 08:11 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 08:14 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 08:24 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 08:32 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-04-2011, 09:08 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 09:23 PM
Re: Pacifism - by Gorgondie - 08-04-2011, 09:26 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 09:31 PM
Re: Pacifism - by Gorgondie - 08-04-2011, 09:40 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 09:45 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-04-2011, 10:05 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 10:08 PM
Re: Pacifism - by LausTibiChriste - 08-04-2011, 10:19 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 10:51 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 10:59 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:06 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:15 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:18 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:20 PM
Re: Pacifism - by K3vinhood - 08-04-2011, 11:21 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:26 PM
Re: Pacifism - by Vetus Ordo - 08-04-2011, 11:28 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:34 PM
Re: Pacifism - by LausTibiChriste - 08-04-2011, 11:35 PM
Re: Pacifism - by Vetus Ordo - 08-04-2011, 11:59 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 12:13 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 12:17 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 12:37 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 12:52 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 12:56 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 01:05 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 01:13 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 01:22 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 01:43 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 01:46 AM
Re: Pacifism - by K3vinhood - 08-05-2011, 02:01 AM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-05-2011, 02:04 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 02:14 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 02:24 AM
Re: Pacifism - by Vetus Ordo - 08-05-2011, 10:13 AM
Re: Pacifism - by Landelinus - 08-05-2011, 10:44 AM
Re: Pacifism - by devotedknuckles - 08-05-2011, 11:49 AM
Re: Pacifism - by Vetus Ordo - 08-05-2011, 11:59 AM
Re: Pacifism - by devotedknuckles - 08-05-2011, 12:18 PM
Re: Pacifism - by obscurus - 08-05-2011, 01:06 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 08:15 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-06-2011, 09:51 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-06-2011, 10:08 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-06-2011, 10:12 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-06-2011, 10:14 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-06-2011, 10:20 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-06-2011, 10:26 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-06-2011, 10:34 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-06-2011, 10:45 PM
Re: Pacifism - by K3vinhood - 08-06-2011, 10:46 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-06-2011, 10:50 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-06-2011, 11:59 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 03:49 AM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-07-2011, 03:56 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 04:03 AM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-07-2011, 04:08 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 04:34 AM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-07-2011, 05:03 AM
Re: Pacifism - by CaoimhinPConnell - 08-07-2011, 01:22 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-07-2011, 04:37 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-07-2011, 04:46 PM
Re: Pacifism - by obscurus - 08-07-2011, 05:03 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 05:39 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 05:40 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-07-2011, 05:48 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-07-2011, 05:53 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 09:24 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 09:26 PM
Re: Pacifism - by SouthpawLink - 08-07-2011, 09:27 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 09:40 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-08-2011, 12:28 AM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-08-2011, 01:02 PM
Re: Pacifism - by Scriptorium - 08-08-2011, 02:58 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-08-2011, 05:33 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-08-2011, 05:41 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-08-2011, 05:45 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-08-2011, 05:55 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-08-2011, 07:36 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-08-2011, 08:12 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-08-2011, 08:24 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-08-2011, 08:35 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-08-2011, 08:37 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-08-2011, 08:46 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-08-2011, 11:44 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-08-2011, 11:44 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-09-2011, 03:38 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-09-2011, 04:37 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-09-2011, 05:51 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-09-2011, 05:53 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-09-2011, 05:56 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-09-2011, 07:18 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-09-2011, 07:21 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-09-2011, 07:22 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-09-2011, 07:25 PM



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