Pacifism
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(08-05-2011, 01:22 AM)wulfrano Wrote:
(08-05-2011, 01:05 AM)INPEFESS Wrote:
(08-05-2011, 12:56 AM)wulfrano Wrote:
(08-05-2011, 12:52 AM)INPEFESS Wrote:
(08-04-2011, 10:08 PM)jovan66102 Wrote: INPEFESS, no one implied that we should not pray for their conversion. Wulfrano stated a fact and you're trying to make it out that he was calling down curses on them. Not so.

It is the logical conclusion of the use of the word.

He did not say they will be "goddamned" unless they convert--that they are "god-will-be-damned Muslims" (unless they convert); he said they are "goddamned Muslims".

It is very simple. No-one is damned until they are dead and judged by God. Referring to a whole group of people as "goddamned", especially when that includes those who are still alive and, therefore, not yet damned, assumes that God has already judged those people as damned while they are still alive because they have, at a certain point in failed, failed to convert. This is not a Catholic attitude, and I am surprised that you are justifying taking the name of God in vain as well as accepting that it's O.K. to consider people who aren't even dead yet already dead and judged as damned. Damned if they die outside the Church: yes; damned while they're still alive and have a chance to repent: no.

I hope you feel the same way when they enter your house, burn it down and kill your wife and children (as they have already done so with millions of christians).

You are trying to appeal to my emotionality to try to convince me that it is acceptable to compromise Christ's teachings whenever I am emotionally devastated.

You are a man. Let us reason like men, not with appeals to the fleeting whims of emotion to try to win the argument.


OK.  Just remember what muslims really are.  Just rememeber what they've always been and what they will always be.They are the same fanatical throat-cutters ever since the time of Mahomet.  Their favorite prayer is "Kill the infidels!"  You saw them in France burning automobiles.  You saw them in Africa with "machetes" cutting heads off.  You saw them in Asia burning homes down.  OK.  When your turn comes, don't say I did not warn you.

I won't say you didn't warn me. I think you need to read what I've written and realize that one can be a non-pacifist and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ at the same time. That means that one can both be a non-pacifist and yet refrain from declaring the certain damnation of all living Muslims at the same time.

There are things worse than death, you know. Suffering in hell for eternity for disobeying Christ is one of them. Martyrdom at the hands of a Muslim is a sure way to get to Heaven.
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Pacifism - by K3vinhood - 08-04-2011, 06:00 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 06:17 PM
Re: Pacifism - by matthew_talbot - 08-04-2011, 07:45 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-04-2011, 08:03 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 08:09 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 08:11 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 08:14 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 08:24 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 08:32 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-04-2011, 09:08 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 09:23 PM
Re: Pacifism - by Gorgondie - 08-04-2011, 09:26 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 09:31 PM
Re: Pacifism - by Gorgondie - 08-04-2011, 09:40 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 09:45 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-04-2011, 10:05 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-04-2011, 10:08 PM
Re: Pacifism - by LausTibiChriste - 08-04-2011, 10:19 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 10:51 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 10:59 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:06 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:15 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:18 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:20 PM
Re: Pacifism - by K3vinhood - 08-04-2011, 11:21 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:26 PM
Re: Pacifism - by Vetus Ordo - 08-04-2011, 11:28 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-04-2011, 11:34 PM
Re: Pacifism - by LausTibiChriste - 08-04-2011, 11:35 PM
Re: Pacifism - by Vetus Ordo - 08-04-2011, 11:59 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 12:13 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 12:17 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 12:37 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 12:52 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 12:56 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 01:01 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 01:05 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 01:13 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 01:22 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 01:43 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 01:46 AM
Re: Pacifism - by K3vinhood - 08-05-2011, 02:01 AM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-05-2011, 02:04 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 02:14 AM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-05-2011, 02:24 AM
Re: Pacifism - by Vetus Ordo - 08-05-2011, 10:13 AM
Re: Pacifism - by Landelinus - 08-05-2011, 10:44 AM
Re: Pacifism - by devotedknuckles - 08-05-2011, 11:49 AM
Re: Pacifism - by Vetus Ordo - 08-05-2011, 11:59 AM
Re: Pacifism - by devotedknuckles - 08-05-2011, 12:18 PM
Re: Pacifism - by obscurus - 08-05-2011, 01:06 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-05-2011, 08:15 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-06-2011, 09:51 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-06-2011, 10:08 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-06-2011, 10:12 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-06-2011, 10:14 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-06-2011, 10:20 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-06-2011, 10:26 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-06-2011, 10:34 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-06-2011, 10:45 PM
Re: Pacifism - by K3vinhood - 08-06-2011, 10:46 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-06-2011, 10:50 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-06-2011, 11:59 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 03:49 AM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-07-2011, 03:56 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 04:03 AM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-07-2011, 04:08 AM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 04:34 AM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-07-2011, 05:03 AM
Re: Pacifism - by CaoimhinPConnell - 08-07-2011, 01:22 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-07-2011, 04:37 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-07-2011, 04:46 PM
Re: Pacifism - by obscurus - 08-07-2011, 05:03 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 05:39 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 05:40 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-07-2011, 05:48 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-07-2011, 05:53 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 09:24 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 09:26 PM
Re: Pacifism - by SouthpawLink - 08-07-2011, 09:27 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-07-2011, 09:40 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-08-2011, 12:28 AM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-08-2011, 01:02 PM
Re: Pacifism - by Scriptorium - 08-08-2011, 02:58 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-08-2011, 05:33 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-08-2011, 05:41 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-08-2011, 05:45 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-08-2011, 05:55 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-08-2011, 07:36 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-08-2011, 08:12 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-08-2011, 08:24 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-08-2011, 08:35 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-08-2011, 08:37 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-08-2011, 08:46 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-08-2011, 11:44 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-08-2011, 11:44 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-09-2011, 03:38 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-09-2011, 04:37 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-09-2011, 05:51 PM
Re: Pacifism - by jovan66102 - 08-09-2011, 05:53 PM
Re: Pacifism - by INPEFESS - 08-09-2011, 05:56 PM
Re: Pacifism - by UnamSanctam - 08-09-2011, 07:18 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-09-2011, 07:21 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-09-2011, 07:22 PM
Re: Pacifism - by wulfrano - 08-09-2011, 07:25 PM



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