Headcoverings
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(08-23-2011, 11:28 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote:
(08-23-2011, 10:26 PM)Revixit Wrote: If the OP had written "I am a priest looking for a source for inexpensive veils to have on hand for women who come to my Masses," would you guys still have said "Sew them yourself "?  I don't think so. 

But, since you've said that anyone can learn to sew, go to it, each of you make a dozen mantillas and send them to the OP gratis.

Frankly, I assume a priest is too busy.  But I have said a few times that a man can sew a mantilla just fine too.  If you really have a need to insinuate that a hatred of women is behind what I write, insinuate away, but it doesn't make it true.

If the OP is also too busy, fine.  I've said multiple times on this thread that there are good reasons not to sew them as well -- they are just not as economical.  So there's benefits and drawbacks to each approach.  What I really object to is the attitude that there's something wrong with suggesting sewing.  It's relatively easy, but people don't think to try it themselves, and so it's a good suggestion.

As to your final "challenge" -- no thank you.  I prefer to use simple reason and logic to make a point.  I know from personal experience it's easy to make your own baby food instead of buying it and it's much cheaper, but I don't need to actually make it and send it to you for that to be true.  I also know that it's easy and fun to have an herb or vegetable garden, but I don't need to send anyone veggies to make that point.  And so on.

Your "challenge" is obviously not a serious attempt to help the OP but is just a transparent way to put down my suggestion.  My suggestion to consider sewing, however, is still one I stand by.  It was not said to put down women or to make you feel insecure or blah blah blah blah blah.  It's a normal thing to consider if you want to save money.

What kind of batshit crazy world do we live in anyway, in which such a suggestion is considered so problematic?

And why does everyone ignore the other points ggreg and I have made: that this applies not just to sewing but to other things: doing your own basic carpentry, for example.

So churches shouldn't hire carpenters, electricians, plumbers, etc.?  Just get together a bunch of DIY-ers?  Yeah, that'll work.

And every church should have a vineyard and make its own sacramental wine, and a bakery to make its own hosts, and a printing press to print missals and hymnals.

What?  Nobody has time to do those things because of their other work?  Well, they're just not efficient enough and you and ggreg need to straighten them out.  Ggreg makes six billion dollars a month and builds his own cars and tvs, what's the matter with the rest of the men in this world?

I would ask, "What kind of batshit crazy world do we live in anyway, in which a DRE asking for a source for inexpensive mantillas/scarves is told to make them instead?"

It's the trad macho world.  You and ggreg can deny it all you like but you would not tell a priest to man up and go make it (whatever "it" he asked for help finding.)

You got your boxers or briefs in a bunch because you assumed a DRE is female and all females should know how to sew, or be willing to learn when a man who once sewed something in junior high home ec and a man who built an addition to his house suggest it.  That's what's going on here and everybody knows it.

You say "Frankly I assume a priest is too busy."  Exactly! 

Later, because I pointed out that you would NOT have told a priest to go make them, you admit "If the OP is also too busy, fine."  Let's also admit that a DRE may be as busy as a priest.  Priests who delegate well seem to find plenty of time for golf and other hobbies.  DREs don't have many, if any, people to delegate to.



My reply to you and ggreg was:

"If the OP had written "I am a priest looking for a source for inexpensive veils to have on hand for women who come to my Masses," would you guys still have said "Sew them yourself "?  I don't think so. 

But, since you've said that anyone can learn to sew, go to it, each of you make a dozen mantillas and send them to the OP gratis."


You came back with:

"As to your final "challenge" -- no thank you.  I prefer to use simple reason and logic to make a point."

Those of us telling you that your suggestion is not helpful are also using simple reason and logic.  We reason that someone who has gone through the university curriculum required to become a DRE has the intellect and reasoning skills to realize that mantillas can be sewn -- by people who can sew.  If the OP could sew and had the time to do it, we reason she or he would not be asking for advice about where to buy inexpensive veils. 

I didn't make a challenge but a statement.  Since you and ggreg have asserted that there is nothing to making veils, and insinuated that it's wrong to spend money to buy them, insulting a new member of Fish Eaters in the process, I believe you should each make a dozen lace mantillas and send them to her (or him.)  You might learn that sewing a lace mantilla is not as easy as you thought it would be and you would be committing an act of charity to offset the offense you've given in this thread to the OP and women in general.  I don't expect you will do it but I think that you should.



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Messages In This Thread
Headcoverings - by aDREfromMI - 08-19-2011, 02:40 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by newyorkcatholic - 08-19-2011, 02:46 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Gakmo - 08-19-2011, 02:52 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by aDREfromMI - 08-19-2011, 02:54 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Revixit - 08-19-2011, 07:08 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Someone1776 - 08-19-2011, 07:17 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Gakmo - 08-19-2011, 07:20 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Gert - 08-19-2011, 08:27 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by MaterLaeta - 08-19-2011, 11:27 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by jovan66102 - 08-20-2011, 02:13 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by ggreg - 08-20-2011, 02:33 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by Spooky - 08-20-2011, 02:47 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by aDREfromMI - 08-20-2011, 12:39 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by newyorkcatholic - 08-20-2011, 12:42 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by DesperatelySeeking - 08-20-2011, 04:08 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by miss_fluffy - 08-20-2011, 04:45 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by JayneK - 08-20-2011, 05:50 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Historian - 08-20-2011, 10:38 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by SavedByGrace - 08-20-2011, 10:48 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by GraceSeeker - 08-21-2011, 08:25 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by Josué - 08-21-2011, 10:39 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by ggreg - 08-21-2011, 03:36 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by newyorkcatholic - 08-21-2011, 05:49 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by m.PR - 08-21-2011, 06:50 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Gakmo - 08-21-2011, 07:20 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by JacafamalaRedux - 08-21-2011, 07:27 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by JacafamalaRedux - 08-22-2011, 09:57 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by DesperatelySeeking - 08-22-2011, 08:45 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Revixit - 08-22-2011, 09:14 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by DesperatelySeeking - 08-22-2011, 09:19 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by newyorkcatholic - 08-22-2011, 10:03 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by ggreg - 08-23-2011, 01:16 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by dymphna17 - 08-23-2011, 02:16 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by ggreg - 08-23-2011, 02:58 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by JacafamalaRedux - 08-23-2011, 06:35 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by newyorkcatholic - 08-23-2011, 03:17 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Revixit - 08-23-2011, 04:05 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Revixit - 08-23-2011, 04:11 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by ggreg - 08-23-2011, 04:24 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by newyorkcatholic - 08-23-2011, 05:45 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by JacafamalaRedux - 08-23-2011, 07:59 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Revixit - 08-23-2011, 10:26 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Revixit - 08-23-2011, 10:36 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by aby - 08-23-2011, 11:24 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by newyorkcatholic - 08-23-2011, 11:28 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by aby - 08-23-2011, 11:48 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Revixit - 08-24-2011, 07:25 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by Iolanthe - 08-24-2011, 08:06 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by ggreg - 08-24-2011, 08:38 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by Revixit - 08-24-2011, 09:48 AM
Re: Headcoverings - by newyorkcatholic - 08-24-2011, 02:51 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Iolanthe - 08-24-2011, 03:10 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by newyorkcatholic - 08-24-2011, 03:15 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Iolanthe - 08-24-2011, 03:29 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by trident59 - 08-24-2011, 04:41 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by Mithrandylan - 08-24-2011, 05:48 PM
Re: Headcoverings - by newyorkcatholic - 08-24-2011, 09:39 PM



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