Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians
(09-16-2011, 02:50 PM)dan hunter Wrote:
(09-16-2011, 02:44 PM)Stubborn Wrote:
(09-16-2011, 01:51 PM)dan hunter Wrote:
(09-16-2011, 01:41 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: validity does not make a mass catholic. the orthodox have valid masses, shit a black mass can be valid. neither are catholic. the orthodox certainly is more catholic then the NO. the no is catholic in paperwork only. it has the paperwork to show a prod bastard mass it is as catholic.
its not
its very far from it
Stubborn said the NO is not valid, I was pointing out that he is wrong.

That it is always valid is absolutely impossible to prove - particularly when compared to that with which it replaced.
You made the statement that the "NO is not valid", not that is impiossible to prove its validity or invalidity.
For that matter one could not prove the validity of the TLM or Divine Liturgy..
To make a balnket statement in the Language arts one does not use a quantifier, and you did not use a quantifier in your previous statement:
"the NO is not valid"

Proving the validity of the NO or not is an altogether different point than saying: "the NO is not valid"

One has infallible declarations regarding the validity of the True Mass - look them up sometime.

The new mass has nothing older than 1965 - which makes it suspect every time it is said.

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Re: Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians - by Stubborn - 09-16-2011, 02:56 PM

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